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NoDeity	The Quran and secular government		Lead	[-]
Posts: 22 02/05/06 09:46:19	Tags : None We know that the Bible can be used to promote the concept of secular government. For example, the 16th century anabaptists promoted separation of church and state based on a strict literalist reading of the New Testament and today's Jehovah's Witnesses also find a biblical basis for keeping themselves separate from government (they generally don't even vote). But what about the Quran? It is my understanding that the Quran leaves no room for separation of mosque and state. Is that true? Does anyone here know of any passages that suggest the possibility of Quran-based arguments for Islamic acceptance of secular government? ------------------- People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs.
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corwin17	I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1838 02/05/06 12:53:58	... I feel that you could probably find passages that part of a given population would interpret as being FOR a secular government, and the other part of the population would have passages AGAINST it. Gee, kinda like the bible. "Ah! Arrogance and stupidity all in one package. How convenient." -- Londo Mollari If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll do it for you! ;) We now return you to your regularly scheduled dementia.
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NoDeity	disregard	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 02/05/06 22:33:54	mispost -- if a moderator wants to delete this message, go for it. ------------------- People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs.
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NoDeity	Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 02/05/06 22:35:57	Perhaps, . I've had the impression that the Quran is less of a muddled, self-contradictory mess than is the Bible, though. ------------------- People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs.
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Yark Hutprancer	Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4004 02/06/06 16:20:17	*Quote:* I've had the impression that the Quran is less of a muddled, self-contradictory mess than is the Bible, though. Have you been talking to Christians? That was your first mistake. They are both muddled messes. And, yes, I have read a great deal of both. Actually, the more I think about it, what I have read of the Quran seemed to be more consistant than that Bible. At least the Quran seems to consistently condemn non-believers, where the Bible in the Old Testament condemned people for not being born in the "chosen" tribe and the in the New allows people NOT from the tribe to get saved too. "If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board
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raphjd	Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2169 02/06/06 16:54:25	I thought that the quran outlawed anything but a theocracy. "If Homosexuals went back into the closet, then there would be no more Homosexuality in this world" - Tom DeLay, US Congressman R-TX "And secondly, I think we must admit that the discussion of these disputed points has no tendency at all to bring an outsider into the Christian fold. So long as we write and talk about them we are much more likely to deter him from entering any Christian communion than to draw him into our own. Our divisions should never be discussed except in the presence of those who have already come to believe that there is one God and that Jesus Christ is His only Son" - C.S. Lewis
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NoDeity	Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 02/06/06 18:10:57	*Quote:* Have you been talking to Christians? That was your first mistake. I used to be a Christian and I'm very familiar with the Bible. I'm much less familiar with the Quran. *Quote:* Actually, the more I think about it, what I have read of the Quran seemed to be more consistant than that Bible. That's my understanding, too. It makes sense to me that it should be that way because the Bible is a mish-mash of books by many authors, written over a quite a long time while, if I understand correctly, the Quran was written during a shorter time period by fewer authors. ------------------- People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs.
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NoDeity	Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 02/06/06 18:12:14	*Quote:* I thought that the quran outlawed anything but a theocracy. That's my understanding, too. I was wondering whether anyone here knows of something specific which contradicts that. ------------------- People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs.
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Yark Hutprancer	Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4004 02/06/06 18:17:23	*Quote:* the Bible is a mish-mash of books by many authors, written over a quite a long time while, if I understand correctly, the Quran was written during a shorter time period by fewer authors. That's the popular story these days anyway. "If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board
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The Quran and secular government	02/05/06 09:46:19	NoDeity
I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/05/06 12:53:58	corwin17
Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/05/06 22:35:57	NoDeity
Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/06/06 16:20:17	Yark Hutprancer
Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/06/06 18:10:57	NoDeity
Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/06/06 18:17:23	Yark Hutprancer
Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/06/06 16:54:25	raphjd
Re: I don't have an answer, but personally ....	02/06/06 18:12:14	NoDeity
disregard	02/05/06 22:33:54	NoDeity