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Waterrock	Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1168 09/06/05 10:14:27	Tags : None Jesus instructs His disciples in Matthew 10:16, as they are about to begin a preaching-tour, Be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. The goodness of this statement is self-evident: dont be stupid, and dont be violent. Yours in Christ, Waterrock
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Tanstaafl	Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 555 09/13/05 22:10:02	*Quote:* Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves The whole verse implies that Jesus is sending the apostles out to be marytered... is that a good thing in your opinion? Also with the verse before *Quote:* Matthew 10:15 I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. is Jesus saying to the apostles, don't worry, I will kill them all horribly for you anyway? ---- "It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain
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raphjd	Re: Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2169 09/13/05 22:46:41	*Quote:* The whole verse implies that Jesus is sending the apostles out to be marytered... is that a good thing in your opinion? Just like the radical muslims, they know that maryters will draw more radical freaks into their mission. "If Homosexuals went back into the closet, then there would be no more Homosexuality in this world" - Tom DeLay, US Congressman R-TX
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Waterrock	Re: Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1168 10/07/05 18:21:41	Tanstaafl ~ T: "The whole verse implies that Jesus is sending the apostles out to be marytred... is that a good thing in your opinion?" You're incorrect; that's not what the verse implies. First, the disciples obviously all returned from this preaching-mission intact. Second, one does not shake the dust of one's feet when departing a city that one has been martyred in. Yet Jesus anticipates such an act. Thus Jesus is not anticipating His apostles' imminent martyrdom. T: "is Jesus saying to the apostles, don't worry, I will kill them all horribly for you anyway?" /If/ they reject the apostles, the city-dwellers will be held accountable for rejecting the King's couriers -- which involves a fate worse than Sodom's, which involved death and destruction. But we don't have a record of the inhabitants of these cities and villages rejecting the apostles at this time. Yours in Christ, Waterrock
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retired catholic	But serpents are not wise, and doves are not harmless	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 426 12/23/05 15:34:27	simonsnakesite.tripod.com...asics.html *Quote:* Snake intelligence It is unfair to say that snakes are dumb (though they ain't exactly Edison, they ain't exactly Dan Quayle, either). Although it is true to say that snakes act mainly through "instinct", snakes are very perceptive of their enviroment. For instance, a lot of snakekeepers say when they go to their rattlesnakes, the snakes act calm and normal. But when other people try to approach them, they rattle vigoriously and take defensive poses. Although it's nice to think that snakes have emotions (like joy, anger, and affection), scientific studies show that snakes just don't have the cerebral capacity for them. However, snakes do have "primitive" feelings like aggression, fear, and pleasure. Snakes are able to learn simple things such as tolerating handling, eating an unnatural food item, and of course, adapting to captivity. But to teach a snake to learn things like to "fetch" (like a dog can), or "sit-stay" (I saw a 11 year old telling his rosy boa to stay and be a good little snake) is not relevant to snakes. www.flatratewebsites.net/...a/faq.html (American Dove Association) *Quote:* Why are some of the young doves Scalped or killed by other doves? Young doves that are scalped or killed wander into the territory of another dove. Shrubbery provides hiding places for young doves from more aggressive adults. So, as an analogy, Jesus' admonition kinda sucks. He could just as easily have meant "Learn to eat unnatural food items, and scalp any children who get in your way." WR, you said the goodness of the statement was "self-evident". I don't think "self-evident" means what you think it means.
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Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	09/06/05 10:14:27	Waterrock
Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	09/13/05 22:10:02	Tanstaafl
Re: Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	09/13/05 22:46:41	raphjd
Re: Matthew 10:16 - Serpents And Doves	10/07/05 18:21:41	Waterrock
But serpents are not wise, and doves are not harmless	12/23/05 15:34:27	retired catholic