For the record, I want to make something clear: all this talk about "killing homosexuals" is misleading: it isn't who the person is that makes them guilty, it is what they do. In other words, it is the act itself of adultery, incest, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, etc. that makes a person guilty. This means that it doesn't matter who the person is who commits a sin: if a straight person commits a homosexual act, he becomes guilty for committing the act. If someone with involuntary homosexual feelings never commits homosexual sin, that person is innocent. This way there is no discrimination: everyone gets treated the same, based on their actions alone. The God of the Bible doesn't care who you are; he cares about what you do, and "he judges according to each one's work without partiality" (I Peter 1:17).
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About Homosexuality and other Sexual Sins |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 4140 08/28/07 09:49:31 |
Quote:I don't think you understand what 'discrimination' really means. If you allow part of society to act upon their sexual urges, but not another part, then you're discriminating against part of society. Especially if it only involves consenting adults and does not harm to others. If there was actual harm, such as sex acts upon children, that might be different. Quote:Except for when he cares about what you think, even if you never do act upon those thoughts. |
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Posts: 2652 08/28/07 09:55:19 |
Quote: it is a sin for a married, straight couple to have anal or oral intercourse? |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 4140 08/28/07 09:58:12 |
Depends on who you ask.
Hell, there's a site somewhere where the guy says that lesbian sex is okay, but only if practiced by the wife for the purpose of the husband's arousal. |
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Posts: 205 08/28/07 09:59:22 |
Quote: It's improper sexual urges that we would not be allowing people to act on, regardless of who they are. Otherwise you could say that bestiality (animal sex) or incest should be allowed because it is someone's sexual urge, and that to forbid this would be discrimination! Quote: See, under this standard, bestiality, pornography, prostitution, and incest would be allowed. This is what I'm saying here: you've got to have some standard of what is proper or improper in sex. Anything that is outside of the right standard should be forbidden, so it is not discrimination against people, it is discrimination against certain actions. |
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dan385 |
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Posts: 205 08/28/07 10:04:15 |
Quote: I don't know; the Bible doesn't specifically address these acts. There is certainly sexual freedom within the marriage covenant, but I'm not sure how far that goes. |
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dan385 |
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Posts: 205 08/28/07 10:05:33 |
Quote: The problem with that argument is that the woman would be committing a sinful act in the process; you can't get around that, so it would be wrong. |
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Posts: 2652 08/28/07 10:59:00 |
Quote: well, you've said it isn't who's doing it but what they do. if married people can commit the same acts as homosexuals without punishment, then this axiom is proven wrong, no? |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 4140 08/28/07 11:12:23 |
Quote:No, we can't get consent from a beast. So it isn't practiced by consenting adults. Quote:Not necessarily. Bestiality, no. Not consenting adults. Porn and Prostitution, arguments could be, and have been, made for the harm those do. Especially if they're illegal and thus unregulated. Incest has a chance of harm from inbreeding. Quote:Sure. Harmless acts between consenting adults. Quote:You still haven't proven any harm from consenting homosexual adults playing butt darts in their home. Just used some sort of slippery slope argument. |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 4140 08/28/07 11:14:49 |
Quote:Would she? Where is it that the Books says lesbian whoopie smoochies are sinful? And, anyway, i'm not saying it's a good argument, but it is one offered by one of the Faithful, as a godly stance on homosexuality. Men, no. Women, only in the marriage bed as foreplay for the man's pleasure. That really does sound like something the OT god would allow... Or better yet, between two wives of the same man? ------
"What good would that do, though?" Foster asked, ever one for physical and thus profitable application. Knowledge for knowledge's sake was a concept he was familiar with, but in the way a lion is familiar with the paths the gnu walks to and from water. |
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God DOES judge us upon our thoughts | #10 | ||
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Posts: 949 08/28/07 12:48:13 |
Quote: Then why are there commandments against "coveting"? If God only judges me on my actions, surely it doesn't matter that I covet my neighbor's ass, as long as I don't actually DO anything about it. Furthermore, by your logic, God doesn't care whether we actually believe in Him and worship Him; it is enough to go through the motions. So much for Commandment One. If God judged us on our actions alone, then there wouldn't be commandments regarding our thoughts. I would agree with you insofar as the Bible would seem to forbid only homosexual actions and not thoughts, but don't make the blanket statement that it is only what we do that matters to God. The God of the Bible DOES judge us on our thoughts and feelings. ________________________________________
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Argy Lacedom |
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Posts: 3114 08/28/07 19:26:29 |
Quote:That's something I've been saying to Christians for ages - there is nothing a heterosexual couple can do in the bedroom that a homosexual couple can't do. Oops. Sorry. There is one thing; vaginal sex. ________________________________________________________________________
When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to meannothing more and. nothing less. Humpty Dumpty (Alice in Wonderland) one of the world's greatest apologists. |
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dan385 |
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Posts: 205 09/02/07 10:23:43 |
Quote: No, no, that's not exactly what I meant. What I was trying to say was that even if a heterosexual person commits homosexuality, he becomes guilty merely because of the act. I was trying to emphasize that the only thing that makes homosexuals (or any other sexually inappropriate person) guilty is what they do. In other words, it is a person's choice to do the right thing or not, and if they choose the wrong, they have sinned. There is no discrimination here, because it doesn't matter who does it. Quote: Not necessarily, because it is a married couple (a man and a woman) who is doing it. A homosexual kiss is wrong, but just because a heterosexual couple kisses doesn't mean they have sinned! |
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dan385 |
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Posts: 205 09/02/07 10:31:08 |
Quote: You're absolutely correct, I never denied any of this. Actively thinking or desiring something wrong is also a choice, which means that we are responsible for it. This includes hatred, lusting, coveting, etc. However, being turned on by someone of the same sex involuntarily, without consciously deciding to feel that way, is not a sin. To entertain this desire and give into it is wrong. As another example: a married man who is naturally attracted to some woman at work or college is not sin, but to choose to lust after that woman would be sin. A thought becomes sin if someone chooses to dwell on it. |
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dan385 |
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Posts: 205 09/02/07 11:00:16 |
Quote: The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong, so obviously homosexual acts between two women are wrong. Quote: But if his argument is contrary to Scripture and common sense, it shouldn't be taken seriously or blamed on the God of the Bible. Quote: This is a foolish point - the fact is, God of the Bible doesn't say that. Whether or not it "sounds like something the OT God would allow" doesn't matter, since in actuality He doesn't say that! |
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Posts: 205 09/02/07 11:21:08 |
Quote: There's only one person involved, and he/she is consenting, so what's the difference? Quote: But if only adults film or watch pornography voluntarily (with consent, if you will), why should it be restricted? The Christian answer is that pornography is inherently wrong and is a distortion of the sexual nature, whether or not it might harm anyone. The same goes for homosexuality, adultery, etc. |
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Keith and Company |
Re: About Homosexuality and other Sexual Sins | #16 | ||
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Posts: 4140 09/02/07 11:54:06 |
Quote:The difference is exploiting an animal that cannot consent. The difference is that it is a poor choice to lump it with homosexuality saying that 'by that logic' it has to be allowed, too. Quote:Adultery is not a distortion of the sexual nature of humans. Monogamy is actually the distortion. We find people sexually attractive independent of their marital status. ------
"What good would that do, though?" Foster asked, ever one for physical and thus profitable application. Knowledge for knowledge's sake was a concept he was familiar with, but in the way a lion is familiar with the paths the gnu walks to and from water. |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 4140 09/02/07 11:57:23 |
Quote: You quoted (I think it was you), that the books says men can't lie with men. Where does it say that women can't lie with women? Quote:True. But you haven't shown that it is contrary to The Books. Just that you lump all homosexuality together, whether The Books does or not. Quote:And yet, you're saying that because He outlaws M/M slash, he outlaws F/F slash as well, when He actually doesn't. So, you're as foolish as the other guy was. |
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Argy Lacedom |
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Posts: 3114 09/02/07 17:35:01 |
Quote:So you'd be up for a bit of anal penetration as long as it was your wife shoving the pineapple up your arse? ________________________________________________________________________
When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to meannothing more and. nothing less. Humpty Dumpty (Alice in Wonderland) one of the world's greatest apologists. |
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Gramlins in the System |
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Posts: 864 09/02/07 22:08:26 |
Just as an aside
I happen to feel that pineapples up arses is wrong. Not sinful, just plain wrong.  ____________________________________________
"Your belief system ain't louder than my car system" Saul Williams, MC "I don't have a God Complex, you got a simple God." Sage Francis, MC |
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Argy Lacedom |
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Posts: 3114 09/02/07 22:52:53 |
Quote:Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a gerbil man myself. (But it has to be a good looking one!) ________________________________________________________________________
When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to meannothing more and. nothing less. Humpty Dumpty (Alice in Wonderland) one of the world's greatest apologists. |
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