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Yark Hutprancer	Have a dream? Build a monument!		Lead	[-]
Posts: 4041 10/27/05 13:21:10	Tags : None Genesis 28:16,17 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not. And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven. How absurd is this? A guy has a dream about god, and upon wakening says that "the Lord is in this place." Isn't "the Lord" supposed to be everywhere? Did Jacob not realize this? How did he miss out on this crucial bit of Sunday School teaching? Perhaps the original authors of this story did not believe that the Lord could be everywhere at once. Why would having a dream about god imply that the place you happened to be sleeping in is a house of god and the gate to heaven!? Luckily, Jacob didn't sleep on the other side of that hill or he might have missed the gate of heaven! Or would the gate then have appeared there? "...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller
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tanakatao	Re:god everywhere? no, duh	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 159 12/02/05 21:53:44	Of course god cant be everywhere. That would mean we dont need temples and churches (houses of god). If the cosmos itself were the house of god that would be chaos, after all we need actual buildings with tax-exempt status right? Apparently we need constructed shelters to keep out the wind (that god made), sun (that god made), life (that god made) and hide us from gods universe. Stone bubbles make to keep out everything but morons. We need those building because um because we do. Its like the idea that people can worship without going to church and listening to someone elses thoughts on god, we cant do that. What would all the clergymen do for a living? I had a dream that I was attacked by a tiger and when I woke up my girlfriends cat attacked my foot. Maybe I should write a religious book based on my prophetic dreams. Hopefully hundreds of years later people will kill each other over my prophecies
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student	Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 12/16/05 14:36:55	is scripture truly that confusing? why do you try and create a contradiction where there is none? any theology student of any religion could easily explain this one. im not a theology student and it makes sense to me. "God" being everywhere at the same time is different than actually feeling that same "God"'s prescence. that is he is literally in the area rather than knowing everything that is happening at every second in that area.
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Yark Hutprancer	Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4041 12/16/05 16:02:07	*Quote:* is scripture truly that confusing? If Jesus was god and he prayed to himself to forgive people who knew not what they do, then yes, it is confusing. *Quote:* why do you try and create a contradiction where there is none? I didn't try to create a contradiction. I brought up what I thought was an absurdity in the Bible. Do you know what an absurdity is? *Quote:* im not a theology student and it makes sense to me. "God" being everywhere at the same time is different than actually feeling that same "God"'s prescence. that is he is literally in the area rather than knowing everything that is happening at every second in that area. And, I think it is absurd to say "God is in this place" if you feel his presence in one location while you concurrently believe that god is everywhere at once. You should probably feel his presence everywhere you go. You might not find it to be absurd. I do. "If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board
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Argy Lacedom	Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3187 12/17/05 15:52:58	*Quote:* that is he is literally in the area rather than knowing everything that is happening at every second in that area. If he is everywhere and doesn't know everything that's happening at every second then he's blind or deliberately refraining from 'watching'. ________________________________________________________________________ If there is evil in the world in lies in the lack of doubt. I am suspicious of the idea of the righteous. - Tilda Swinton
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tanakatao	Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 159 12/21/05 15:32:58	*Quote:* If he is everywhere and doesn't know everything that's happening at every second then he's blind or deliberately refraining from 'watching'. maybe he isn't blind but isn't watching either. Just be. I exist. I am. I live now. I am alive now. Me. Be. The old monks forget everything-. Let go, be.
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pillsburyz	God ?everywhere no, duh	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 20 01/01/06 11:40:38	Different people of different times, have different perceptions, remember the ancients used to have twenty wive and fifty sheep and it pleased God. At present God frowns on such erotic dawdlings. So today too the dream would be different. Jacob wakes up under the bridge in a box scratches his ass and says: "Boy, I can't move this morning. I slept like shit. Ths ain't the house of the Lord!" As the Bible thumpers say: "You have to put everything in context!"
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Have a dream? Build a monument!	10/27/05 13:21:10	Yark Hutprancer
Re:god everywhere? no, duh	12/02/05 21:53:44	tanakatao
Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	12/16/05 14:36:55	student
Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	12/16/05 16:02:07	Yark Hutprancer
Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	12/17/05 15:52:58	Argy Lacedom
Re: Re:god everywhere? no, duh	12/21/05 15:32:58	tanakatao
God ?everywhere no, duh	01/01/06 11:40:38	pillsburyz