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Rev Etherman	How did David Kill Goliath, with a Sword or Sling?		Lead	[-]
Posts: 401 08/18/05 14:04:12	Tags : None This contradiction, number 85, should probably be removed. In both verses the translations of the word "slew" isn't quite right. In Hebrew these words are both in the imperfect aspect. The imperfect aspect is used to indicate an incomplete/ongoing action. In verse 51 the word for dead is in the perfect, which indicates a completed action. Goliath wasn't slain until his head had been cut off. It does underscore the crappy nature of the KJV translation though. Every effort must be made to end the human rights abuses in Freedonia.
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spiirit	Goliath	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 08/18/05 16:52:02	Do I hear the word's of a Pharisee? Were the 70 Holy Men who compiled the KJV unable to translate the hard details of the Greek language into a simpler one without such error as you describe? Goliath was a symbol of superior strength to King Saul in all the peoples mind's on both sides. His head was taken as a synbol to offset this mind picture by exebition to those same people on both sides. Why strain at a gnat and swallow a camel? The natter is as it is written in the scriptures, no more, no less.
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Malkut	Re: Goliath	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7243 08/18/05 18:58:06	*Quote:* Do I hear the word's of a Pharisee? Is this how you talk in mixed-faith groups? Somehow, I can't imagine that you're very fun at dance parties and R rated movies. Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" quote, criticize quote, criticize What kind of malevolent disease are you? -One of Dickweed Zero's Alternate Personalities
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spiirit	Goliath	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 08/18/05 19:38:12	And so I stirred you up did I Malkut. It is a simple thing to read the concerned scripture in the KJV and decide for yourself. It is very straight foreward. If Saint Augustine truly said ALL that then he should definitly be seated and hold his peace!... LOL. I won't defend what I have said, it is evidenced by the scripture concerned. Perhaps the Spirit has sent you to me for further instruction?... LOL! I am willing and able...shall we proceede?
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Malkut	Re: Goliath	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7243 08/18/05 21:04:14	*Quote:* And so I stirred you up did I Malkut No. I was just suddenly struck by the enormity of the communications gap between Christians and Skeptics. Much of the bitterness and distaste between the two groups comes from the fact that neither side really knows how to talk to the other. It literally shocks me that Christians think non-Christians could ever truly relate to such talk. Its like two kids trying to communicate with a Fundy entirely through Harry Potter references. No wonder nobody ever agrees on anything. *Quote:* If Saint Augustine truly said ALL that then he should definitly be seated and hold his peace!... He was, until people started drudging up the same faux-biblical beliefs that he was writing about in the first place. As above, I thought that Christians would be more comfortable hearing a condemnation of so-called "biblical creationism" from one of the founders of Christian thought, and one of the most brilliant minds ever to serve the Christian religion. So far, it hasn't worked very well. Christians like to make things up as they go, and they don't want to be back-talked by a man who forgot more about Jesus and the Bible then they will ever know in their entire life. *Quote:* Perhaps the Spirit has sent you to me for further instruction?... LOL! LOL? What part of that phrase are you laughing at, exactly? *Quote:* I am willing and able...shall we proceede? I'm not even totally sure what the topic is. I just butted in. Feel free to proceed with whatever the hell it is. Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" quote, criticize quote, criticize What kind of malevolent disease are you? -One of Dickweed Zero's Alternate Personalities
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jeff	Re: Goliath	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2652 08/18/05 22:22:14	*Quote:* I'm not even totally sure what the topic is. i'd have to agree with mal - i've read several of your comments to waterrock's apologies, and i've yet to understand a word. perhaps they're like those pictures that you have to unfocus your eyes to see the sailboats or aliens or soccer players or whatever... could you speak more directly, at least until we get used to your style of prose?
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spiirit	Goliath	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 08/18/05 23:03:04	The LOL's are to show intent to keep the chat on the lighter side of thing's so we don't go off on a tangent into hard argument and debate my dear Malkut. You seem intelligent and know how to pace yourself, so we can talk. When I speak as a Christian believer, I speak always by the Spirit. I never make things up to satisfy my ego or win a point. You have found a Practicing Christian who remains independent of any orginazition whether it be a physical church body or any other group or clique. I am free, but I believe and I belong to the spiritual body of the Christ who is now become my God and in who's hand's our heavenly Father has placed all things. You can speak freely because I support no denomination whatever and never have. Therefore my mind is truly open to discussion on many things concerning the Spirit. I know many things but am not "all wise" by any means. However I am mostly well studied on the 1611 King James version of the Holy Bible. I am not given to quoting chapter and verse but I retain most all the knowledge by the Holy Spirit that I claim to posess. I am slow to anger and quick to please!... Do I get the job?... LOL!
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spiirit	Goliath	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 08/18/05 23:19:40	Hello Jeff; I'm sorry to hear that there is a difficulty but it can be overcome no doubt. I speak rather generally by the spirit until a fixed subject or question arises, then you will surely find me more responsive to your needs. You won't get street talk from the Holy Spirit Jeff. And no children, I am not a prophet nor would I dare suppose such a thing!
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Malkut	Re: Goliath	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7243 08/19/05 06:45:22	*Quote:* You won't get street talk from the Holy Spirit Jeff. Then try to act as a translatior. It's like listening to a song on the radio through static, or, at least, listening to an idea through loads of pompousness and fakey-sounding quasi-Jacobian speech. *Quote:* And no children We're not your children. Yeesh. Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" quote, criticize quote, criticize What kind of malevolent disease are you? -One of Dickweed Zero's Alternate Personalities
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spiirit	T.D.W.	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 08/19/05 08:07:17	I do have a sense of humor. Maby this is more to your liking- Making his way home through the woods, a drunk comes to the river where a preacher is baptising sinners. So the drunk staggers right into the water and bumps into the preacher... the preacher turns and getting a face full of whisky breath, grabs the man, yells "Praise God Brother", and dunks him good... Bringing the spluttering man up, the preacher asks... "Have you found Jesus"?... "What happened"? say's the confused drunk... Halleluyah! shouts the preacher and slams him under again and brings him up... "Tell me brother, have you found Jesus"? yells the preacher!... "Nothing"! chokes the drunk... Realizing the man is a tough case, the preacher screams "AMEN"! and plunges him under again and holds him there until he starts fighting to come up... Now the preacher jerks him out of the water, pulls him close to his face, stares him dead in the eyes and calmly say's, "We're running out of time My Brother... HAVE-YOU-FOUND-JESUS"?... Still choking and spluttering the sobering drunk say's, "No Sir, not yet"!... Are we sure this is where he fell in"?... T.D.W.
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Rev Etherman	Re: Goliath	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 401 08/20/05 20:45:04	[quote]Do I hear the word's of a Pharisee? Were the 70 Holy Men who compiled the KJV unable to translate the hard details of the Greek language into a simpler one without such error as you describe?[/quote] Given the number of places that we get bad translations, I'd say the answer is yes. According to the English translation David killed Goliath twice: once with the sling and once with the sword. This absurd contradiction is avoided with a proper translation. Every effort must be made to end the human rights abuses in Freedonia.
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How did David Kill Goliath, with a Sword or Sling?	08/18/05 14:04:12	Rev Etherman
Goliath	08/18/05 16:52:02	spiirit
Re: Goliath	08/18/05 18:58:06	Malkut
Re: Goliath	08/20/05 20:45:04	Rev Etherman
Goliath	08/18/05 19:38:12	spiirit
Re: Goliath	08/18/05 21:04:14	Malkut
Re: Goliath	08/18/05 22:22:14	jeff
Goliath	08/18/05 23:19:40	spiirit
Re: Goliath	08/19/05 06:45:22	Malkut
Goliath	08/18/05 23:03:04	spiirit
T.D.W.	08/19/05 08:07:17	spiirit