A: Jeconiah was Josiahs grandson. Matthew has condensed the list here (as he does a little earlier where he omits the names of Ahaziah, Joash, and Amaziah). This is not unusual in structured genealogies.
Yours in Christ,
Waterrock
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Q: Was Jeconiah the son of Josiah? Or was Jeconiah the grandson of Josiah? Dont Matthew 1:11 and First Chronicles 3:15-16 say two different things?
A: Jeconiah was Josiahs grandson. Matthew has condensed the list here (as he does a little earlier where he omits the names of Ahaziah, Joash, and Amaziah). This is not unusual in structured genealogies. Yours in Christ, Waterrock |
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Steve Wells |
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WR: "Jeconiah was Josiahs grandson."
So poor Matthew was wrong again when he said: Quote: That guy just couldn't get anything right. WR: "This is not unusual in structured genealogies." Isn't it iteresting how the genealogies are "structured" only when it is necessary to avoid a contradiction (which is "not unusual.") |
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Waterrock |
Josiah and Jeconiah, and A Matter of Microallocation | #2 | ||
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Steve Wells ~
SW: "So poor Matthew was wrong again when he said: 'Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon.'" Not at all, because "begat" does not necessarily refer to a direct siring of a son by his father; it can also refer to a grandfather-to-grandson relationship, and multi-great-grandather-to-descendant relationships. WR: "WR: "This is not unusual in structured genealogies." SW: "Isn't it interesting how the genealogies are "structured" only when it is necessary to avoid a contradiction (which is "not unusual.")" They tend to be structured and/or condensed fairly frequently. Luke's genealogy of Christ also has a structure, though it is less obvious than Matthew's. And the genealogies in Genesis are also structured. And some other O.T. genealogies are condensed. In other news: looking over the alleged difficulties listed in Matthew, there are 156 to go (in chapters 7-28), and in Mark there are 106. At a constant rate of addressing one difficulty per day, it'll take over eight months just to finish addressing the questions raised about Matthew and Mark. That's a lot of work! If I'm going to complete, say, the four Gospels by the end of 2005, I'll have to focus on the initial questions and keep sub-discussions to a minimum. Would that be okay with you? Perhaps it would be a good idea to delay making defenses of the initial defenses/resolutions later, after the initial answers are systematically put in place. This would give me some chance of completing the resolutions (at least in the Gospels) more rapidly. Yours in Christ, Waterrock |
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Waterrock,
Quote: I understand, Waterrock. I have the same problem. Since you started posting your responses, I havent got much done at the site. I should get back to the Book of Mormon. (Yuck!) And yet I think the discussions have been helpful. It forces us to direct our attention to the Bible itself, especially those passages that are highlighted in the SAB. That, to me anyway, is what the discussion board is for. (Along with talking about religion, religion news, ID / evolution, and just having fun) But I would like to see your comments on all of the highlighted passages in the SAB and itd be nice if you could finish while there are still a few people who believe in the Bible. You dont know any other good apologists that could help you with this, do you? Although I see the need, I hate to shut down discussions on the discussion board. Are there any other suggestions out there? |
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In the list at
skepticsannotatedbible.co..._book.html , in #644, the word Jesiah should be replaced by Josiah. In the list at www.skepticsannotatedbibl...en_ml.html , Jecohnias should be changed to Jechonias. Yours in Christ, Waterrock |
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Steve Wells |
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Thanks, Waterrock.
I think they are fixed now. Steve Wells
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| Matthew 1:11 - Josiah and Jeconiah | 08/20/05 15:32:39 | Waterrock |
| Re: Matthew 1:11 - Josiah and Jeconiah | 08/20/05 20:00:39 | Steve Wells |
| Josiah and Jeconiah, and A Matter of Microallocation | 08/20/05 21:47:14 | Waterrock |
| Re: A Matter of Microallocation | 08/21/05 07:23:48 | Steve Wells |
| A Couple of Minor Corrections | 08/21/05 22:15:42 | Waterrock |
| Re: A Couple of Minor Corrections | 08/22/05 06:34:05 | Steve Wells |