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Galip Rahman ~

In the name of Jesus -

True Christians do not believe in three Gods. We do not exalt Mary as a goddess. We acknowledge neither Lat, nor Manat, nor Uzzah as deities, and none of our prophets have ever done so.

We believe in one God, the Creator, who goes by the name of YHWH in the Torah. No one on earth knows exactly how to pronounce the name YHWH. "Yahweh" or "Yahveh" are two possibilities. "Al-Rahman" is a close Arabic term. But His essence, not His name, is what I wish to focus on here to clear up some misconceptions you seem to have been taught about the Christian concept of the Trinity.

First of all, the term "Trinity" is not in the Gospel. It's not the term "Trinity," but the concept of the Godhead that Christians uphold most dearly. And what is the concept of Godhead? An excellent model of the idea -- an illustration, that is -- is that God is light. As An-Nur v. 35 says:

Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth.
The parable of His light is as a niche,
and within it a lamp;
The lamp is in a glass,
The glass - as it were - a brilliant star,
lit from a blessed tree, neither of the east nor of the west,
whose oil would almost glow forth, though no fire touched it.
Light upon light!
Allah guides to His light whom He wills.
And Allah sets forth parables for mankind,
And Allah is the One who knows all things.

If a light were not shining, it could not still be a light; it would be darkness. Therefore the light of God must be forever shining and there was never a time when God changed from a light that was not shining into a light that shines; otherwise there would be a time when God was darkness.

Now if God has always been the shining light (and there is no other kind!), then what shines forth from Him is eternal, and not the stuff of creation, but co-eternal with God. And this light illuminates the heavens and the earth. If light passes through a rain-shower and makes a rainbow, revealing its spectrum, the expression of the light would be new, but the light itself would not be new; it also would be co-eternal with the lamp which has always been emanating it.

Because the lamp is eternal, and because the light shining from the lamp is not created but eternally generated by the lamp, and because the spectrum is the same uncreated light, re-expressed, all three may be called eternal and thus divine, for none came into being through the command of God.

With that parable the Godhead is explained: the Father is the lamp; the Word is eternally shining forth from the Father; the Holy Spirit interacts, like the light of the rainbow, with creation.

The falsely-called "Christians" in Arabia in the days of Muhammad did not believe this; some of them believed that the Father, Mary, and Jesus were the Trinity; others believed that Jesus had existed in heaven as the first being which the Father had created; others believed other things. It was one thing for Muhammad to declare /their/ beliefs in error; it is quite another thing for you to claim that what was spoken against them, is supposed to be applied to the Christian concept of the Godhead, in which the three Persons of the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are three co-eternal Persons expressing one God.

You quoted First Corinthians 15:27 --

"For he hath put all things under his feet. But when He says, 'All things are put under him,' it is manifest that He who put all things under Him is excepted. And when all things shall be subject unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

What this means is that Jesus, the eternal uncreated Word who entered into our world in human form, will rule over all created things. And when this happens, He will acknowledge that He Himself is acting in accord with His Father, as His Servant.

GR: "As you have witnessed, the Gods of Christians are loaded the program of ability of being divided and unified as to the will! Where? Of course not in the labs! In the pervers minds!"

I don't know what you were trying to say. Nevertheless I hope that what I have shared here will help you have a better understanding of what Christians do, and do not, believe about the Godhead.

Remember, Jesus said, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." (John 8:12)

In the service of Christ, and with a prayer that God will guide you -

Waterrock