Quote:
Matthew 28:1-9 says that Jesus appeared first to the two Marys.
Quote:
Mary Magdalene holds the distinction of being the first human being to see Jesus after His resurrection.
So Matthew is wrong? Is that what you are saying?
| Author | Comment | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
psychoboy |
Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | #1 | ||
Quote: Quote: So Matthew is wrong? Is that what you are saying? |
||||
|
|
||||
Waterrock |
Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | #2 | ||
|
Psychoboy ~
Notice where I placed the statement "Matthew 28:1-9 says that Jesus appeared first to the two Marys." It's not in my answer, it's within the question that I'm fielding. A careful reading of my answer, combined with a careful reading of the Easter-Challenge Preface post, should reveal that I do not grant that Matthew 28:1-9 rules out any appearances of Jesus to anyone prior to His appearance to the women as they were departing from the tomb in 28:9. By the time Jesus appears in Matthew 28:9, He had already appeared to Mary Magdalene, who had already run from the tomb and rejoined the other women, including the other Mary. Yours in Christ, Waterrock |
||||
|
|
||||
psychoboy |
Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | #3 | ||
|
Now I am really confused, despite your attempts to correct my confusion. Perhaps this is all my fault, because I am not paying enough attention to your timeline. So let's just ask this: can you provide me a list of people to whom Jesus appeared, in the order in which he appeared to them? I don't need times. I just need an order.
|
||||
|
|
||||
Waterrock |
Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | #4 | ||
|
Psychoboy ~
Just go back to the main Preface post, and ignore the time-list as you read, and thus you will read the in-sequence list of people to whom Jesus appeared. Here's the gist of the appearances most relevant to the initial question in this thread. (This is non-exhaustive; it may help you get the general flow, though.) (1) Mary Magdalene and the other Mary visit the tomb before sunrise and see that the stone is rolled away. They run and tell Simon Peter and the Beloved Disciple. (2) Simon Peter and the Beloved Disciple run to the tomb and see it empty. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary follow them. (3) The other women (Salome, Joanna, and Namelessa) arrive at the tomb as Mary Magdalene and the other Mary re-arrive. (4) The other women enter the tomb's main chamber; the two Marys do not. Two angels appear in the tomb, while one appears outside, and announce to the women that Jesus is risen. (5) The main group of women depart from the tomb, intending to find the disciples and tell them what they experienced at the tomb. (6) Mary Magdalene lingers behind, and enters the tomb. She encounters the two angels there, and then encounters the risen Jesus. (7) Mary Magdalene runs and re-joins the main group of women. As they are on their way to the disciples, Jesus meets them all (and it is this encounter that is described in Matthew 28:8-10). Yours in Christ, Waterrock |
||||
|
|
||||
psychoboy |
Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | #5 | ||
|
So your interpretation of the order of whom Jesus meets after the resurrection is:
1. Jesus meets Mary Madgeline, and then 2. Jesus meets a whole bunch of other people all at about approximately the same time. Do I have that right? No one is before Mary Madgeline, and no one is anywhere in between 1 and 2? |
||||
|
|
||||
Waterrock |
Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | #6 | ||
|
Psychoboy ~
Your #1 and #2 statements seem to be fuzzified re-statements of #6 and #7. There's some room for misunderstanding in the statement, "Jesus meets Mary Magdalene, and then Jesus meets a whole bunch of other people all at about approximately the same time." Was there something unclear about what I already said: "(6) Mary Magdalene lingers behind, and enters the tomb. She encounters the two angels there, and then encounters the risen Jesus. (7) Mary Magdalene runs and re-joins the main group of women. As they are on their way to the disciples, Jesus meets them all (and it is this encounter that is described in Matthew 28:8-10)." ? That arrangement shows harmony among the accounts. It doesn't concretely answer every imaginable historical question. For example: did the other Mary see angels at the tomb the first time she and Mary Magdalene visited the tomb? (Luke 24:23 supports the idea that she did; on the other hand, the texts nowhere say that all the women remained together on the journey from the tomb to the disciples, and at least one could have reported about the empty tomb and the angels to Cleopas at a time before Jesus appeared to them when they were en route to the (rest of the) disciples. So the question seems open.) But to answer your question again: Mary Magdalene was the first human being to see Jesus after He arose from the dead. She saw Him at the tomb. Then she went and joined the other women who had gone down the road by that time. She caught up with them. Then Jesus appeared to the group of women that Mary Magdalene had just rejoined. Yours in Christ, Waterrock |
||||
|
|
||||
| Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 01/30/06 21:14:18 | Waterrock |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/03/06 21:31:54 | psychoboy |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/04/06 00:51:36 | Waterrock |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/08/06 21:20:47 | psychoboy |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/09/06 00:51:12 | Waterrock |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/10/06 21:20:31 | psychoboy |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/10/06 23:53:44 | Waterrock |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/15/06 20:30:03 | psychoboy |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/19/06 18:56:46 | Waterrock |
| Re: Matthew 28:9 - Who Saw Jesus First? | 02/21/06 19:21:21 | psychoboy |