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 Yark Hutprancer |
Re: unfortunately | #1 | ||
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Posts: 3749 11/05/05 07:52:56 |
Oh, you'll get yours. One day, you'll get yours.
"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller |
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justinx89xx |
my explaination | #2 | ||
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Posts: 2 11/08/05 20:03:42 |
Logically, the only way to make sense of the world is through the bible. A mind boggling question, that most humans will stumble upon sometime in life is this, "I wonder when time started". According to the bible, God has always been and always will be. So even though that sounds illlogical to any human, it gives a perfect explaination of how time began. Time began when God created it, and before-hand, God infinitly existed. So when people say that there is no possible way there can be a God, its impossible. Just have them realize that there must have been something logically impossible to have occured sometime in the past, or else life as we know it would not exist.
My explaination may sound confusing to some. If you do not understand it I am very sorry. |
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gystex |
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Posts: 265 11/08/05 20:22:59 |
Quote: Why not cut out the middleman? Time infinitely existed. God is irrelevant. And what the hell does this have to do with balsphemy against the Holy Spirit? Incidentally, it's been four days since I cursed the sucker, and I have yet to show symptoms (except it was awfully cloudy last night, so the stars might have vanished from the sky while I wasn't looking...) |
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Yark Hutprancer |
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Posts: 3749 11/08/05 20:56:02 |
Quote:I would bet my life that your "explaination" confuses you. "...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 3733 11/09/05 06:22:23 |
Quote:What, exactly, is your definition of 'logic?' All logic is built on assumptions. If we start with the assumption 'there is no god' then the Books is acually the LAST way to make sense of the world, because it's all wrong. |
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FastHack |
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Posts: 3369 11/17/05 00:59:23 |
Quote:It isn't that your explanation is confusing, it is simply that you are trying to explain the impossible. Tell me, before "time/space" or heaven or hell or anything else was created, where did God live? ____________________________________
If God inspired men to write the Bible without error, why did He not inspire men to copy it without error? If God miraculously inspired writers to perfection, not inspiring copyists renders the whole point moot. |
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fyulaba |
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Posts: 5 11/27/05 00:05:27 |
It's not that hard to understand...First of all, we ALL deserve an eternity in hell. Whether you like it or not, you were born a sinner. I doesn't matter if you killed 100 people, or said the Lord's name is vain just once. Without forgiveness, you will spend eternity in a lake of fire.
Secondly, ALL sins are blasphemy against the holy spirit! Every single one. God is 100% just at all times, he doesn't pick and choose which sins are greater than others. Everyone will get the same eternal punishment. Thirdly, there is no sin that cannot be forgiven. Repeat, there is no sin that cannot be forgiven. It clearly says in the bible that once a sin is forgiven by God, he has forgotten all about it. Eternal punishment is reserved for the "Devil and His Angels" otherwise known as those who die in their sins (i.e.: without forgiveness) Fourth, basically, if you repent and accept Christ, your sins are forgiven and eternal life is your reward. Now, spending your time on a message board like this only tells me that everyone here is looking for answers. Why else would you so-called "aethiests" be here constantly arguing whether or not God exists? How can you prove to the world that he doesn't exist? instead of wrapping your mind around "who Matthew's biological father was", try thinking about the concept of eternity...no beginning, no ending. |
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FreeFromChristianity |
Sweet! | #8 | ||
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Posts: 547 11/27/05 02:34:50 |
Although you are just preaching (which btw there is a forum specifically for that) hell, fire and brimstone, have a nice day.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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fyulaba |
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Posts: 5 11/27/05 04:53:22 |
Mr. Free from Christianity,
I like you're quote. You know Martin Luther King also said "If there is one book in the entire world to memorize, it is the book of Romans in the Holy Bible." |
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Malkut |
Re: Sweet! | #10 | ||
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Posts: 6926 11/28/05 16:24:44 |
Quote: I'm sure he also said something akin to "Fritos are great" at some point in his life, but no self-respecting company would use the quotes of Martian Luthor King Jr. to try to sell their crappy product. Only religions can get away with that bit of tastelessness. Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" ***NOTE: All references to any God, gods, or other metaphysical concepts are hypothetical in nature and do not imply belief in said deities unless specifically indicated. These statements do not represent the opinion of the poster, his family, friends, other posters, EZboard, or the dark satanic masters that possess him and are secretly pulling his strings. All information copyright 2005 Big Faceless Corp. |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 3733 11/28/05 19:41:46 |
Argument from authority doesn't fly far around here.
I memorized the opening of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas because the imagery is fantastic. But i've never done anything stronger than Scotch, and that was only a sip. Oh, and FFC isn't a Mr. |
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FreeFromChristianity |
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Posts: 547 11/29/05 18:02:09 |
And what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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Yark Hutprancer |
Re: my explaination | #13 | ||
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Posts: 3749 11/27/05 02:36:29 |
Welcome to the message board. And, aren't we full of all sorts of important information, surely none of it false?
Quote:Can you explain why a perfect being would create sinful beings, sinners from birth? Then explain to me why being born a sinner warrants eternity in a lake of fire. How is that just? That seems like a truly demented set of beliefs you have there. Quote:On what basis do you judge god to be 100% just at all times? Or have you simply accepted popular Christian dogma as truth? Quote:Uh, what about Mark 3:28-29? Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. It sounds to me like blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. It might say in the Bible that once biblegod forgives, one is always forgiven, but the bible also implies that there are sins that will not be forgiven. Quote:Didn't you just get done saying that we also are in danger of being thrown into a lake of fire? Quote:How can we verify that this is true? Quote:Wow! How utterly arrogant of you. Do you think the whole world revolves around your little belief system? I came to the Skeptics Annotated Bible after leaving Christianity to get another outlook on the "holy" book that had so thoroughly screwed my life over. I started reading the message boards to see what people had to say. I found that the regulars here were very intelligent and had very amazing insights into the stupidity of the various Christian belief systems. The more I got to know the regulars, the more I enjoyed communicating with them. I now spend time here because I love the regulars and it is my goal to help argue against the foolishness that is your religion as often as I can. So, no, I am not here trying to find Jesus or God. I spent nine years of my life in church trying to do that. Stop assuming. Quote:If there really is no god, how would anyone be able convince you of this? Perhaps you can suggest a way. One clue that might lead us to conclude that there is no god, is the fact that little children are kidnapped and raped and made victims of incest and child pornography pretty often. Yet, Christians still maintain belief in a god even though this god doesn't seem to care enough to protect these children. Again, what would convince you there is no god? Quote:That's funny. Again, you assume. You assume that we haven't tried to think about eternity. Are you threatening us? How about you show us that your religion is true rather than try to scare us into respecting you and your invisible friends. "If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board |
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Keith and Company |
Re: my explaination | #14 | ||
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Posts: 3733 11/27/05 07:09:58 |
Quote:Why doesn't the sky guy just forgive us our sins? I forgive my kids all the time, even when i'm not really sure they understand what they did wrong, or have fully determined, in their hearts, that they should never do it again. if nothing else, they repent their sins against me when i paddle their butts. But if we're burning in hell, and repent all our transgressions, why can't we get forgiveness then? |
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OriginalMissJesus |
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Posts: 247 11/27/05 12:44:23 |
Quote: Why would you say "so-called atheists" instead of just "atheists?" |
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Iznomneak |
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Posts: 3062 11/27/05 14:32:52 |
Quote: I suspect it's that argument that tries to convince atheists that they are really agnostics. I guess that I have to be uncertain (agnostic) about sprites inhabiting my computer keyboard, since saying that they don't exist (atheist) would require absolute or infinite knowledge of the universe.  with Science Fiction, all things are possible |
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Tanstaafl |
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Posts: 555 11/29/05 18:39:14 |
Quote: Well its not like he is a real christain The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. - Terry Prachett |
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Argy Lacedom |
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Posts: 2277 11/28/05 16:06:20 |
Quote:A god like that would not deserve my worship even if it existed. [Welcome, by the way!] ________________________________________________________________________
I can't imagine a higher being throwing anyone into eternal torment for not worshipping him, anymore than I can imagine a loving parent throwing their baby in the oven for not understanding complex physics. - Casandra Blake I'll tell ya what I think is evil though. It's not using yer dangly bits for what they're there for...love, procreation and - dare I say ... a bit of bloody fun along the way! - Captain Sensible on Cliff Richards |
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Malkut |
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Posts: 6926 11/28/05 16:30:13 |
Quote: I can feel the love of Jesus already. Quote: All crimes having the same punishment? That's like saying the government would be 100% just if they just killed people for jaywalking or littering. Quote: Well, Steve wrote this really long review for a book called the Bible, and people who liked it just keep showing up to tell us how the review is wrong, and seem to be under the mistaken impression that you can convince someone to change their life over the Internet. It's quite funny, so we stick around. Also, it's "atheists". A so-called Christian such as yourself should know that. Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" ***NOTE: All references to any God, gods, or other metaphysical concepts are hypothetical in nature and do not imply belief in said deities unless specifically indicated. These statements do not represent the opinion of the poster, his family, friends, other posters, EZboard, or the dark satanic masters that possess him and are secretly pulling his strings. All information copyright 2005 Big Faceless Corp. |
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roquerojas88 |
How exactly does one commit the unpardonable sin? | #20 | ||
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Posts: 4 04/18/07 06:22:03 |
I heard it said that in order to commit this sin, you have to believe God exists like the demons do (which have faith but no works) and that if you call violence good and peace bad that you're practically commiting the unpardonable sin. I heard that it's the Holy Spirit that leads people to remorse (repentance) and to do good (you don't even need to know it exists and it's there).
So in other words, does this mean I'd have to be a psycho sociopath? Interestingly, this unpardaonable sin condition resembles "christians" that are really hypocrites. |
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| Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit | 09/07/05 23:01:42 | Waterrock |
| A sin which only the reprobate commit | 09/09/05 08:10:34 | Steve Wells |
| Re: A sin which only the reprobate commit | 09/10/05 21:09:49 | Waterrock |
| unfortunately | 10/19/05 13:36:58 | jdcastro |
| Re: unfortunately | 10/19/05 17:26:11 | Yark Hutprancer |
| Re: unfortunately | 10/19/05 18:00:07 | Argy Lacedom |
| Re: unfortunately | 10/19/05 20:22:50 | Yark Hutprancer |
| Unforgivable does not exit... | 10/31/05 00:45:34 | Kmorton213 |
| Re: Unforgivable does not exit... | 10/31/05 01:20:47 | Yark Hutprancer |
| "THE DEVIL IS A LIER!!" | 11/02/05 16:43:02 | ety3 |
| Yikes! | 11/03/05 00:21:11 | corwin17 |
| Re: Yikes! | 11/03/05 08:17:30 | gystex |
| ROTFL! |
