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Steve Wells

A sin which only the reprobate commit

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09/09/05 08:10:34

WR: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a sin which only the reprobate commit.

Is everyone in hell (or who eventually will go to hell) a reprobate?

How many reprobates do you figure there are?

Do you personally know any?

Am I one?

(And thanks for the correction on the typo. God would probably consider it an unforgivable sin to misspell unforgivable. That would make more sense than tormenting someone forever for their honest disbelief.)

Steve Wells

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Waterrock

Re: A sin which only the reprobate commit

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09/10/05 21:09:49

Steve Wells ~

SW: "Is everyone in hell (or who eventually will go to hell) a reprobate?"

Once they arrive there, yes. But here on earth, a person can go from being non-reprobate (i.e., potentially capable of repentance) to being reprobate.

SW: "How many reprobates do you figure there are?"

I dunno.

SW: "Do you personally know any?"

Reprobation is a condition of the soul -- something which only God sees and which only God can equitably judge. I tend to assume that there is hope for everyone.

SW: "Am I one?"

I hope not. I don't think you are. I remember a manticore in Xanth that asked a wizard if he (the manticore) had a soul or not. The wizard replied that only creatures with souls are worried about such things. In some roundabout way that seems relevant. I think there's hope for you. I don't think you will ever become an inerrantist, but I hope that you will become a Christian.

Yours in Christ,

Waterrock

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jdcastro

unfortunately

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10/19/05 13:36:58

i'm one of them. For the gory details visit www.geocities.com/unforgivable2005. Certainly proves the existence of God. More likely to be committed by old people but anyone is in danger if they're on the wrong path.

Jon :rolleyes

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Yark Hutprancer

Re: unfortunately

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10/19/05 17:26:11

Are you kidding? How does this prove the existence of god?

"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

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Argy Lacedom

Re: unfortunately

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10/19/05 18:00:07

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A person who has committed the unforgivable sin will know it by the effects which manifest themselves afterwards:

Internal breakdown.

Feelings of profound emptiness, deadness and loss. Daytime scenes and skies look like those on a picture postcard; the night-time skies an empty black.

Lingering smell of death. Excessive sweating on waking up after a night of sleep.

Darkness in the mind. Feelings of evil rushing in. If the Bible is read, automatic rebellion against the words. Thick, deep smell like the smell of sulphur. Internal knowledge of judgment by God.

Changes in physical appearance, mainly the face: a brutish look. Skin feels pasty. Lips look purplish red and thick. Mouth feels dry. Suicidal thoughts.

Disorientation when walking or performing hand movements (e.g. when writing).

Feelings of dullness and inner death. Slowing in breathing.

A sense of being cut off from the world. Inability to converse properly with other people. Loss in ability to concentrate.

After a week or two, normality starts to set in. Concentration improves. Disorientation wears off. Facial expression starts returning to normal.

Several months later - almost 'complete' recovery. Some physical features remain permanently changed.

Continuing suicidal thoughts and depression. These lessen with sufficient help and support.

Physical death - some time in the future...

Wow!

This prett much describes a close member of my family who has been diagnosed with clinical depression. The cause is an imbalance in brain chemicals. This has been restored by drugs, not magic.

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Yark Hutprancer

Re: unfortunately

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10/19/05 20:22:50

According to that web page, even magic can't solve this problem.

"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

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Kmorton213

Unforgivable does not exit...

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10/31/05 00:45:34

Hmmmmmm, after reading all of this I figured that someone would have added the fact of who GOD is!

(Clearing throat)

Go to a parking garage or the highest building in your area. STAND on the roof. Look straight out and closely observe your area, your surroundings. Take a moment to compare yourself to your visual area. Notice how small you are compared to the size of your surroundings. The world is HUGE!!! And there another 6 billion more souls like you out there! With there own personalities, there own opinions, and there own customs. How do you think they got that astronomical uniqueness? Again the earth around is even better then what you can see if you was in the sky, it would appear GIGANTIC in your sight your mind would blow! So you still think that GOD would place all that energy into sooooo much even the Atoms that make up you, the entire world and all the air in it! and be able to control even the quarks that make up the atom then all at the same time memorize, JUDGE, and understand every animal, insect, & the 6 billion different types of personalities in the entire world every 24/7/365 cycle that occurred since the beginning would actually want us to be placed all to burn because we failed to understand something that was to say I believe that GOD IS real then to think that GOD would burn us. FOR WHAT??? WHY???? Because we lacked enough evidence of his love and only had enough to convince us that he would never forgive us or to be convinced that GOD didnt exist. Something in your head has to sound logical enough to have a believable conclusion about something you think you understand. People are only comfortable with what they know and nervous of what they dont know. Something convinces people to think what ever about GOD and be comfortable about it. WHY is that??!!! Its about there conclusive knowledge of the particular subject. In other words "Hey thats enough information for me not to ask any further questions or information about it and I believe what I know with the information I do know, I have my UNDERSTANDING about it" Again in other words, "Obviously 2+2=4 because I know what those values are and I know what they equal to so I believe that mathematical equation is correct. I am comfortable with that answer because I know its right.

So think again when you assume something you THINK you know about. But I KNOW!! That GOD IS LOVE!! And he wouldnt!! Wouldnt burn SOULS that he created woven out of light.

THE DEVIL IS A LIER!! He will use any form of LOGIC or PHILOSOPHY to prove that GOD isnt what he seems to be.

GOD IS THE JUST, THE BEGINNING & END AND THE LAW THAT MAKES THE BEGINNING & END AS A CAUSE FROM A PROPER REASON. An OMNIPOTENT SPIRIT OF LOVE AND GRATITUDE OF HIS WONDERFUL ART OF EXPRESSION, HIS POETIC ARTISTRY OF EVERYTHING BEYOND OF WHAT I AM ABLE TO SAY IN WORDS, THINGS THAT ARE FAVORABLE IN HIS SIGHT & OF HIS IMAGE. SPIRIT IN POWER, POWER INTO ENERGY, ENERGY INTO MATTER, MATTER INTO ART OF WHAT WE CAN SEE, FEEL, EXSPRESS, SMELL, BREATHE, & TASTE.

You all think about that..... As a living breathing conscious of self knowledgeable awareness in which GOD has been able to bless me with, I am able to know the truth & am aware of the creator and the LOVE he has for me. I pray for the people that doesnt understand what that FEELS like, know, & understand. If you could you would know and understand that GOD has you claimed already because he loves you.

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Yark Hutprancer

Re: Unforgivable does not exit...

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10/31/05 01:20:47

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Go to a parking garage or the highest building in your area. STAND on the roof. Look straight out and closely observe your area, your surroundings. Take a moment to compare yourself to your visual area. Notice how small you are compared to the size of your surroundings. The world is HUGE!!!

It's actually quite small compared to the sun and Jupiter. It only seems huge to you because you are much smaller than it.

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And there another 6 billion more souls like you out there!

Personally, I don't believe there is a god, but if there were, why would he need to "create" billions of lesser beings? What's the point? Is he generating an army for conquering enemy gods?

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With there own personalities, there own opinions, and there own customs. How do you think they got that astronomical uniqueness?

Many different possible combinations of genetic material, perhaps. How do you think they got it?

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Again the earth around is even better then what you can see if you was in the sky, it would appear GIGANTIC in your sight your mind would blow!

It's "better"? I don't understand.

By the way, you need to work on your grammer and sentence structure. Those are actually separate sentences that should be separated by a period. And, it's "if you were..."

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So you still think that GOD would place all that energy into sooooo much even the Atoms that make up you, the entire world and all the air in it! and be able to control even the quarks that make up the atom then all at the same time memorize, JUDGE, and understand every animal, insect, & the 6 billion different types of personalities in the entire world every 24/7/365 cycle that occurred since the beginning would actually want us to be placed all to burn because we failed to understand something that was to say I believe that GOD IS real then to think that GOD would burn us. FOR WHAT??? WHY????

Yeah, that does seem silly doesn't it. I ask Christians this all the time. Why does god create billions of people only to end up having to send most of them to etrrnal torture simply because they decided they didn't want to spend their lives telling him how wonderful he is, especially since he supposedly designed us and KNOWS that we will make this choice. The hell story is silly. But, it is in the bible, so I can understand why Christians believe it. But, since I don't trust the bible, I think the hell story is bogus.

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Something in your head has to sound logical enough to have a believable conclusion about something you think you understand.

Absolutely. However, many Christians maintain beliefs that make no sense to them because they believe that they will be punished if they don't, and that they don't make sense to them only because they aren't smart enough to get the ideas. And they call those of us who don't believe things that don't make sense to us out of fear "arrogant" and "fools." Silly, huh?

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Something convinces people to think what ever about GOD and be comfortable about it. WHY is that??!!!

It seems to me that people choose to believe things that make them confortable. If they weren't comfortable, they would toss the belief. And there are so many different personalities, as you mentioned, so there are lots of different god beliefs.

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Its about there conclusive knowledge of the particular subject. In other words "Hey thats enough information for me not to ask any further questions or information about it and I believe what I know with the information I do know, I have my UNDERSTANDING about it" Again in other words, "Obviously 2+2=4 because I know what those values are and I know what they equal to so I believe that mathematical equation is correct. I am comfortable with that answer because I know its right.

It's "their".

But there is a difference. Christians believe in god even though they cannot prove god exists. We can prove that 2+2 = 4. Christians invoke "faith" regarding their beliefs, which proves they have no proof, where faith is unecessary in mathematical calulations.

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So think again when you assume something you THINK you know about. But I KNOW!! That GOD IS LOVE!! And he wouldnt!!

Whoa! Slow down there partner! Are you just believing that god is love because that makes you comfortable? I have seen no reason to believe there is a god, let alone that he "is love", whatever that means.

Most people who call themselves Christians believe that god sends people to eternal torment. They claim to have heard this from the Holy Spirit himself. Are you saying that the Holy Spirit is lying to them? Are you saying they are deluded?

You just got done going on about how people believe what hey want. Then you say you KNOW that god is love. Can you demonstrate how you know this? Until you do, you appear to be acting just like the people who believe that god will torment people for all eternity.

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Wouldnt burn SOULS that he created woven out of light.

Souls woven out of light? What are you talking about?

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THE DEVIL IS A LIER!! He will use any form of LOGIC or PHILOSOPHY to prove that GOD isnt what he seems to be.

It's "liar".

Is the Holy Spirit the devil?

Can you demonstrate that this devil exists? Until you do, you appear to be acting just like the people who believe that god will torment people for all eternity.

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GOD IS THE JUST, THE BEGINNING & END AND THE LAW THAT MAKES THE BEGINNING & END AS A CAUSE FROM A PROPER REASON. An OMNIPOTENT SPIRIT OF LOVE AND GRATITUDE OF HIS WONDERFUL ART OF EXPRESSION, HIS POETIC ARTISTRY OF EVERYTHING BEYOND OF WHAT I AM ABLE TO SAY IN WORDS, THINGS THAT ARE FAVORABLE IN HIS SIGHT & OF HIS IMAGE. SPIRIT IN POWER, POWER INTO ENERGY, ENERGY INTO MATTER, MATTER INTO ART OF WHAT WE CAN SEE, FEEL, EXSPRESS, SMELL, BREATHE, & TASTE.

Why all caps here? Are you deliberately trying to be annoying? And where do you get these ideas from? Can you prove any of this? Until you do, you appear to be acting just like the people who believe that god will torment people for all eternity.

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You all think about that..... As a living breathing conscious of self knowledgeable awareness in which GOD has been able to bless me with, I am able to know the truth & am aware of the creator and the LOVE he has for me. I pray for the people that doesnt understand what that FEELS like, know, & understand. If you could you would know and understand that GOD has you claimed already because he loves you.

Perhaps you're just confused. Perhaps you have simpy fallen for a very attractive false belief system. Start demonstrating how you know you're correct, or we will view you as no different that every other believer who comes on this board making bizarre claims they cannot prove.

Let's see. What is more likely: that you have a very special IN to some invisible super being that very few people have, even though this super being apparently loves us all equally, OR that you is just another god nut creating a magical universe in his mind just like all the believers you are chastising in your post?

Hmmm...

Well, until you show some kind of proof, or your invisible friend decides to bless us all with this magical insight, we will withhold acceptance of your claims.

"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

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ety3

"THE DEVIL IS A LIER!!"

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11/02/05 16:43:02

Sorry, I just found that to be funny, for some reason.

Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools.
-- Phillip Johnson, criminal law professor and leader of the Intelligent Design movement

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corwin17

Yikes!

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11/03/05 00:21:11

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Sorry, I just found that to be funny, for some reason.

Ditto!

You know, I tried googling that phrase to see if it was a cut/paste job.

HOLY CRAP!

Those xians have real problem spelling that 4 letter word!

ETC - my *OWN* stupid misspelling. I'm a physicist, not an englishist!

"Ah! Arrogance and stupidity all in one package. How convenient." -- Londo Mollari
If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll do it for you! ;)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled dementia.

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gystex

Re: Yikes!

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11/03/05 08:17:30

It's not a misspelling, it's a translation error.

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corwin17

ROTFL!

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11/03/05 08:43:20

"Ah! Arrogance and stupidity all in one package. How convenient." -- Londo Mollari
If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll do it for you! ;)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled dementia.

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Keith and Company

Re: Unforgivable does not exit...

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11/02/05 19:29:01

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Notice how small you are compared to the size of your surroundings.

And yet, how big i am compared to an ant living in a speck of dust collected in a corner of the parking lot roof. Should i promise the ants to protect them if they propitiate me?
What could an ant offer me, though?

Sorting a jumble of seeds into individual piles doesn't come up as a requirement nearly as often as one might think.

Maybe they should just love me, for i am unimagineably huge to them. Would that be enough for me? I'd have to believe them, Ants just don't have enoughguile to fool me.
I would be magnanimous to the ones that love me, dropping slices of banana down on the Faithful, but punishing the apostate with a cup of water, to flood their tunnels and drown the blasphemous.

Or....

I could just get in my car and go share a life with other godlike giants of my own scale and never even remember any promises made to that ant pile.

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Malkut

STOP CAPS LOCK ABUSE TODAY!

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11/05/05 00:20:50

I'm thinking of making this another one of my social causes. Right after I get around to creating "The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Punctuation!!!!!!!!11".

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THE DEVIL IS A LIER!! He will use any form of LOGIC or PHILOSOPHY to prove that GOD isnt what he seems to be.

If he's logically and philosopically proven that God isn't what he seems to be, then he's not a "lier", is he?

Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn."
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gystex

Re: unfortunately

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11/02/05 22:33:43

I like #12 on the list of symptoms when one has committed the unforgiveable sin. "Physical Death... sometime in the future."

If someone can name a condition that doesn't eventually lead to death, I'd like to hear about it.

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There are several things which can lead to someone eventually committing this sin:

1. A sinful lifestyle.
2. Ignoring God.
3. Indifference towards Jesus Christ.
4. Despair.
5. Presuming to be saved when in fact one is not.

I'm guilty of four out of five of the items on the list that can lead to blaspheming the Goddamn Holy Ghost, but so far I haven't actually committed the sin.

Oops! Guess I just did. Well, if my lips turn purple or I lose the ability to converse with people, I'll let you all know. Or rather, I won't, because I will have lost that ability.

I think this will be an interesting experiment!

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gystex

Re: unfortunately

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11/04/05 09:34:08

Incidentally, so far the stars are nice and bright, my conversational skills haven't slipped a bit, my lips are just fine, and I don't feel any particularly virulent evil creeping into my soul. Except that I do seem to be awfully horny lately.

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Yark Hutprancer

Re: unfortunately

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11/05/05 07:52:56

Oh, you'll get yours. One day, you'll get yours.

"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

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justinx89xx

my explaination

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11/08/05 20:03:42

Logically, the only way to make sense of the world is through the bible. A mind boggling question, that most humans will stumble upon sometime in life is this, "I wonder when time started". According to the bible, God has always been and always will be. So even though that sounds illlogical to any human, it gives a perfect explaination of how time began. Time began when God created it, and before-hand, God infinitly existed. So when people say that there is no possible way there can be a God, its impossible. Just have them realize that there must have been something logically impossible to have occured sometime in the past, or else life as we know it would not exist.

My explaination may sound confusing to some. If you do not understand it I am very sorry.

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gystex

Re: my explaination

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11/08/05 20:22:59

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Time began when God created it, and before-hand, God infinitly existed.

Why not cut out the middleman? Time infinitely existed. God is irrelevant.

And what the hell does this have to do with balsphemy against the Holy Spirit? Incidentally, it's been four days since I cursed the sucker, and I have yet to show symptoms (except it was awfully cloudy last night, so the stars might have vanished from the sky while I wasn't looking...)

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Yark Hutprancer

Re: my explaination

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11/08/05 20:56:02

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My explaination may sound confusing to some. If you do not understand it I am very sorry.

I would bet my life that your "explaination" confuses you.

"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller

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Keith and Company

Re: my explaination

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11/09/05 06:22:23

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Logically, the only way to make sense of the world is through the bible.

What, exactly, is your definition of 'logic?'

All logic is built on assumptions.

If we start with the assumption 'there is no god' then the Books is acually the LAST way to make sense of the world, because it's all wrong.

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FastHack

Re: my explaination

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11/17/05 00:59:23

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My explaination may sound confusing to some. If you do not understand it I am very sorry.

It isn't that your explanation is confusing, it is simply that you are trying to explain the impossible.

Tell me, before "time/space" or heaven or hell or anything else was created, where did God live?

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