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Argy Lacedom wrote:

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Thus I am opposed to telling parents how to raise their own children, unlike you.

What is wrong with giving children the opportunity to make up their own minds about which religion they will follow? Dawkins believes that foisting religion on minors is brainwashing - and I can't help but agree with him.

What's wrong with making religions accountable for their claims? Why shouldn't they be forced to tell the truth and demonstrate their truths with evidence?

Would you go into a capital of one of the Islamic countries and preach that idea?

Or are you only interested in stopping Christianity?

(I mean, Christians might want to raise their children in some faith but they rarely will murder that child for not choosing to follow it later in life.)

It is so safe to stand in a free country and spout such liberal ideals.

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(And, yes, I did confuse the two front organizations for an Islamic caliphate, one is the OIS and works independently, the other is the one that works through the UN. One has 57 member nations while the other has 53)

Argy Lacedom wrote:Boy, you have a distorted idea of Islam don't you? Have you ever been to a Muslim country? Have you seen first hand how they relate to their children?

In the name of religion, Coli spent two hours a day memorizing verses from the Quran and over nine hours begging to pad the pockets of the man he called his teacher.

It was getting dark. Coli had less than half the 72 cents he was told to bring back. He was afraid. He knew what happened to children who failed to meet their daily quotas.

They were stripped and doused in cold water. The older boys picked them up like hammocks by their ankles and wrists. Then the teacher whipped them with an electrical cord until the cord ate their skin.

There are 1.2 million Colis in the world today, children trafficked to work for the benefit of others. Those who lure them into servitude make $15 billion annually, according to the International Labor Organization.

It's big business in Senegal. In the capital of Dakar alone, at least 7,600 child beggars work the streets, according to a study released in February by the ILO, the United Nations Children's Fund and the World Bank. The children collect an average of 300 African francs a day, just 72 cents, reaping their keepers $2 million a year.

curcat wrote:

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Nanny,

You wrote to another poster:
"...Thus I am opposed to telling parents how to raise their own children, unlike you.
Parents are given the responsibility to raise children and they (and their children) either suffer or are blessed by how wisely they carry that out..."

You initiated the thread by posting the article, relating to Quran 65:4, about the 8-year-old girl in Yemen who tried to divorce the husband she was coerced into marrying. I'm guessing you would not be opposed to telling the parent(s) of this girl how to raise their children?

My view: There are times when the state needs to intervene, such as when laws are broken. Of course, the laws in this Yemen case are the problem--it should not be permitted for the child to get married. International pressure is needed against Yemen and other countries that allow this practice of men marrying (and then raping) child-brides.

Actually, curcat, both the Yemeni law and the koran were ignored in this case!

The law of Yemen says a girl must be 15.

In the koran a baby can be ''married," but only "thighed" until she is old enough to be "ready" for sex (in the koran that appears to be age 9.)

So this girl was treated criminally both by Yemeni law being broken AND by the ideals of the koran that her husband wait until she was ''ready'' before having intercourse with her.

(I put quotes around ''ready'' as that is an English translation for it and some muslims might quibble that there are nuances in Arabic that allow wiggle room.)