So i'll do it one question at a time.
Why would God take the tablets back from Joseph Smith, but leave the Dead Sea Scrolls and other forms of the ancient Bible?
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padawan3000 |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #1 | ||
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What is logical about believing in God? for many there isnt anything logical about it, they do it out of faith. While i believe in God out of faith, i see a logical reason to believe in God. Just as i see a logical reason to believe in the Bible, but no logical reason to believe in the book of Mormon. Maybe nobody understands the inner workings of a Christian mind but Christians, so im going to TRY, note the key word Try, to put it in a way non-christians could understand.
So i'll do it one question at a time. Why would God take the tablets back from Joseph Smith, but leave the Dead Sea Scrolls and other forms of the ancient Bible? |
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blue the sound |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #2 | ||
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Please correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't you previously argued that your god doesn't want to remove free will?
How do you know it was your god who left the scrolls? Wouldn't a perfect being clean up after themself? |
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padawan3000 |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #3 | ||
Quote: There is more proof that there was a Jesus Christ who went around performing miracles and preaching then there is that there was a Marcus Aeralius. And if you dont believe the claim about The chariot wheels and stuff at the bottom of the ocean, go read any Egyptian history book. it will include the story of how the Egyptian Army (which was at the time the strongest in the world) was reduced to nothing in the matter of a day because of the Red Sea. Egypt ceased being a world power that day. Why would that be unless The Red Sea really did collapse on the army? 4 writers wrote stories about Jesus, and those are the ones in the bible, there were several that didnt make it into the Bible. but , if Joseph Smith is correct, only 1 person recorded everything that happened then. there was nobody else? that seems kinda fishy... |
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Malkut |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #4 | ||
Quote: And that is? Didn't I just do a post on here a while ago comparing the proof for Jesus to the proof for Gaius Julius Ceasar? How did that come out? Quote: I have never read a single history book written in the last sixty years that contains any reference to this. There is no evidence of it ever happening. Nor would Egypt send every single soldier they had at the time after a bunch of run-away slaves. Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" quote, criticize quote, criticize What kind of malevolent disease are you? -One of Dickweed Zero's Alternate Personalities |
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Malkut |
Another thing to consider. . . . | #5 | ||
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Many of the earliest Christ cults didn't believe in Jesus the man, but rather as a celestral being that was cruxified in Heaven. Or they worshipped the sun, or John the Baptist. If Jesus was a real man, he didn't leave much of an impact until long after he was gone.
Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, . . . and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn." - St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" quote, criticize quote, criticize What kind of malevolent disease are you? -One of Dickweed Zero's Alternate Personalities |
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JustPeakingIn |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #6 | ||
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you went on an expidition to the bottom of the Red Sea, you would find Chariot Wheels and Pieces of Armor. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Replying Quote: ................................................................................................................. Really? This is an astonishing find. Perhaps you have some references to back this up? ................................................................................................................ go here for an article on the above replying quote wanting refernaces. www.worldnetdaily.com/new...E_ID=33168 |
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BeardedFox |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #7 | ||
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Not sure what people are talking about in this section besides my God can beat up your God.
"The single biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has taken place." |
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Keith and Company |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #8 | ||
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Yes, that's every droll.
My, you've certainly put everyone in their place, in this two-year-old thread. Thank goddess you've come along. ------
"What good would that do, though?" Foster asked, ever one for physical and thus profitable application. Knowledge for knowledge's sake was a concept he was familiar with, but in the way a lion is familiar with the paths the gnu walks to and from water. |
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golfchamp17 |
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I am a Christian, a real Christian. 8 Years ago I put my faith in Jesus Christ & since then, I've followed in His Word, the Bible, and studied it everyday of my life. So, as a true christian, I do not believe in some books of the Bible and deny others. The Bible is God's Word and inerrant and I believe that when Paul says, "if anyone adds anything to them(the whole Bible), God will add to him the plagues." Bible: non-negotiable. Jesus: way, Truth, and life. It's what God's told me my whole life and I have no reason to doubt Him or His Word.
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Keith and Company |
Re: Another thing to consider. . . . | #10 | ||
Quote: Quote: This 'book' was written centuries before the The Books was compiled. What makes you think it refers to the whole The Books? |
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Yark Hutprancer |
Re: Another thing to consider. . . . | #11 | ||
Quote:How does this god communicate with you? "If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board |
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Argy Lacedom |
Re: Another thing to consider. . . . | #12 | ||
Quote:So do you really hate your mother, father, wife, children, brothers and sisters? Quote: ________________________________________________________________________
The fact that stares one in the face is that people of the greatest sincerity and of all levels of intelligence differ and have always differed in their religious beliefs. Since at most one faith can be true, it follows that human beings are extremely liable to believe firmly and honestly in something untrue in the field of revealed religion. (H Bondi, Lying Truths, Pergamon, 1979) |
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corwin17 |
OT: WTH? | #13 | ||
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WAY off topic question ....
How the hell do these people find these specific year-old threads to post their non-sense in? "Ah! Arrogance and stupidity all in one package. How convenient." -- Londo Mollari If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll do it for you! ;) We now return you to your regularly scheduled dementia. |
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FastHack |
Re: Another thing to consider. . . . | #14 | ||
Quote:Ok Mr. TRUE CHRISTIAN (TM) Quote:Take another 8 years to figure out that Paul never said (or wrote) such a thing. ____________________________________
If God inspired men to write the Bible without error, why did He not inspire men to copy it without error? If God miraculously inspired writers to perfection, not inspiring copyists renders the whole point moot. |
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nonbeliever |
Re: Another thing to consider. . . . | #15 | ||
Quote: And if you went on an expedition to the bottom of the Black Sea you would find evidence of many villages and cities that predated Biblical Times that once resided on the coastline of Turkey, Georgia etc. prior to the "Great Flood", so does it make more sense that the Red Sea opened up and swallowed the Egyptian Army, or that some of the things found at the bottom of the Red Sea found their way there by other means? |
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cyborg |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #16 | ||
Quote: Boy, that was good for a laugh. Right so Egypt fell - despite a lack of any of Egypt's enemies invading this rich country ripe for pillage, despite being a big power right up to when the Romans started the biggest boys on the block, it was no longer a world power before it's highest days of glory? I'd like to see the respected Egyptologist who think this. |
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Iznomneak |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #17 | ||
Quote: padawan3000, when you make these kinds of claims, it's proper to back them up with some evidence. I found this timeline: www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/timeline.shtml (google search: eqyptian timeline) and I don't see any of the events your are referring to. Specifically, which period did your claims happen? Please provide a reference. EDIT: I found this additional information on Ramesses II: www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/ramesses_01.shtml 1539-1075 BC Ramesses II rules for 67 years Quote: with Science Fiction, all things are possible |
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FastHack |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #18 | ||
Quote:Such a claim you make, but again, where is this proof you speak of? Don't you see... you make a claim and I ask you for proof and you provide none. Quote:If it is so easy to find, then you should have no problem proving your assertion. Remember that in this game, the person who makes the positive claim is burdened with proving it. That means it is your job and when I make a positive assertion, then you can be assured that it will be my responsibility to back it up. Until you can provide me with a specific reference, I cannot comment. Quote:Four biased Christian authors wrote about Jesus. They had a theological axe to grind. Luke even explicitly states that his purpose so that people will believe in Jesus. Again, Luke and Matthew used Mark as their primary source. Ultimately, you have 2 Christian witnesses in the Bible. Yes there are other "Gospels", but they are so far fetched that even numb skulled Christians could recognize them as absurd and non-historical. Quote:More correctly, Smith merely translated these plates as witnessed by the 10 who signed. It is feasible that when given that these events took place that they were written down and compiled later onto the plates much like the Bible was compiled well after the individual works had been written. You should, perhaps, ask the question of your own religion as to why they don't have a single original manuscript of any book the The Books. ____________________________________
If God inspired men to write the Bible without error, why did He not inspire men to copy it without error? If God miraculously inspired writers to perfection, not inspiring copyists renders the whole point moot. |
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FastHack |
Re: Mormonism... it doesnt add up | #19 | ||
Quote:Glad we got that out of the way. Quote:And what could that be? Quote:You believe a man was raised from the dead on the word of 4 writers and 2 of whom basically copied one, but you won't take word of Joseph Smith and his ten signed witnesses? It seems that with regard to credibility, Smith has the edge over the New Testament. Quote:I've been there and done that. Perhaps you do not understand the inner workings of a logical mind? Quote:Good question, but since I'm not God, I cannot answer this. Perhaps Satan is trying to deceive you by leaving scrolls laying around. ____________________________________
If God inspired men to write the Bible without error, why did He not inspire men to copy it without error? If God miraculously inspired writers to perfection, not inspiring copyists renders the whole point moot. |
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