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Why don't you listen to what I say to you?

Is that too much for you to handle?

What are you? On crack?

I think I was pretty clear when I pointed out why the sacrifice it self was not really the issu?

You kind of remember that while your guilty white skinny stupid ass was climbing the walls thinking about how much of a prick yous was?

Forget about stupid, mate, you ought to be locked away in some one elses mind in stead of yours.

Dude.

Ette.

C'mon, have a thought. You could do it if you listen to me.

Dumb ass.

Malkut - Did you not read the citation? Because, you didn't actually answer it. God still liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, and Cain still killed his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy because of it, which God probably would have been able to prevent, but didn't.

DLH - Wrong. God liked Abel's sacrifice more than Cain's.

I showed you that it wasn't a question of the sacrifice itself, as such. God accepted both animal and vegetable. That wasn't the problem.

I showed you the likely reason for that. Abel's firstlings and Cains off of the ground. Not of the ground but literally off of the ground.

I showed you later scriptural references of the inspired word that indicated it was a matter of faith. With all of that I came to the conclusion that I had.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO is go beyond what you took in one small excerpt and try and demonstrate where I am in error.

I don't care what your ingnorant ass thinks about the cruelty of God ... tell me why you think God was cruel in this particular case.

God is cruel because he could have prevented Cain from killing Abel?

What makes you think that?

And what if he did ... could he also prevent you from being stupid?

And what if he did?

You would either be what you are or something God thought wasn't stupid.

You have no place.

In the eyes of the skeptic ... who cares?

The skeptics were the ones who were washed away in the deluge, don't you get that? If anyone is cruel you are for propagating that this is a myth while at the same time being totally ignorant of it and teaching your children the same blindness that is the real cruelty.

Flush it away.

This is why you people piss me off so much.

There isn't any polite way to say it.

You are dumb as hell.

Malkut - I guess I thought you'd want to have sort of a vague understanding of the position you're trying to debunk, so you don't make an ass of yourself.

David - I don't care to debunk anything. I don't say this to be a smart ass, but I pretty much understood the position of the skeptic within a week of trying. It is pretty much making fun of something they don't understand. Some of it is political in a vague sense, but no more than anything else. A skeptic is the flip side of the Xian coin. Religious minded. Opinionated. Ignorant. Humans being.

Malkut - Who are you writing this for, anyway? Yourself? You already know all the answers. God? God kills everyone who asks questions, "washes them away in the deluge," as you said. Other Christians? They're either here because they want to get out, or they'll come up with their own excuses. Could you be writing for us? Of course not, you don't give a shit about anyone who doesn't share your beliefs. Like you said, who cares?

David - Writing what? Earthling? The SAB Response?

When I first got online I debated - seriously - with Christian and Skeptic alike. After a few years of that I got bored and began to look for something else. Some other way in which to express myself. With some free Tripod site I tinkered away with HTML, DHTML, Javascript, tables ... all by myself. It graduated into Earthling, which is now (without adds from Tripod or anyone else) my own.

That is why there is so much under construction. I'm burned out on all of the subjects I have written about over and over again.

I don't think I know all the answers.

God doesn't kill anyone who asks questions.

I am not a Christian. Never said I was.

I care about people. All people. I am divided in this because I hate the way people 'think.' I hate religious thinking. I loath Christians.

I am not writing the SAB Response for any of you. It is just something I have never done before. There was posted here a challenge I started to deal with - the Easter challenge or something. I mapped out the challenge which was easy, but I tried to respond to every thing the guy said ... got bored and quit.

The SAB might be like that.

Malkut - If you're just writing it for the sake of writing it, I suggest you find a new hobby, instead.

David - I have thought about that myself.

Malkut - And Cain murdered over it and murder is cruel and violent. Thus, the verse has both Cruelty and Violence. Unless you can prove that Cain gently and peacefully murdered Abel, then I don't see how you can make this verse not be cruel and violent.

David - It isn't a matter of whether or not it is cruel and violent, it is a question of who was cruel and violent. Cain or God. The answer is obvious.

Malkut - Plus, your excuse is just an interpretation. You're entitled to them, but it doesn't negate anyone else's by virtue of making God look nicer.

David - It isn't an excuse. I don't want to make God look nicer nor do I wish to see him any other way than he actually is.

When you say that God is cruel because he didn't stop Cain from killing Abel you are ignorant about God. You think religious nonsense like God is Omni this or that. That is Christian apostate teaching.

God didn't know Cain was going to kill Abel, that is why later he asked about it. Reading the account honestly do you think God was there and knew what was going on?

I pointed out in this thread that God warned Cain to turn back from his anger at Abel, that it would lead him to a dangerous place.

And then God didn't even kill Cain in return.

I think that the skeptic should be able to set aside the sort of prescribed emotional disliking for what they think is a myth and look closer at the account itself. Not from my perspective as an alternative, but just with an open mind.

The same could be said of the flood which was also addressed. Most of your understanding of the Bible. Not so that you will agree with me, but so that you can see for yourself or at least be able to say why you see things the way you do.

I don't think the average skeptic is at all honest about any of that. There is just this anger and derision.