Deeply loved by his fans, Michael Jackson was nevertheless a polarizing figure. Will he be remembered for the wide-eyed exuberance he showed as a pre-teen sensation in The Jackson 5? Will he be lauded for "We Are the World" and its charitable outreach to starving Africa? Or will he simply be "Wacko Jacko"-a confused narcissist and alleged pedophile who literally seemed uncomfortable in his own skin, who by the end of his life had become a walking advertisement for the dangers of too much plastic surgery?
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Posts: 3872 06/27/09 14:52:32 |
You're preaching this to a board where most of the regulars don't think anyone's going to Heaven,in the same way and for the same reason that none
of us attended Hogwarts.
Actually, that's a pretty good metaphor. You're telling us that Bewitched has a better version of how magic works than Harry Potter. This is before you've done any sort of work to show us that magic even exists. Beyond asserting that it does. |
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Posts: 2546 06/27/09 14:59:55 |
for the same reason that none of us attended Hogwarts.
i don't recall any black folks at hogwarts either (or on bewitched) so maybe he's finally onto something |
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Posts: 707 06/28/09 15:55:53 |
jeff wrote: That's funny! I know "Ivan Dixon" was the token black in Hogan's Heros as he went on to direct "black exploitation films" like "Blackula" but I can't think of any black boys and girls in Bewitched or I Dream of Jeannie or Batman for that matter. I'm not sure if this is due to prejudice or simple cultural behaviour. I'm sort of suspicious that may gay actors obtained good shows to work on in this period so the producers of these show were probably open minded. |
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Posts: 2547 06/28/09 16:17:05 |
or Batman for that matter.
eartha kitt, best damned cat woman ever! |
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Posts: 1793 06/28/09 18:53:26 |
jeff wrote: I distinctly remember seeing some in at least the most recent Harry Potter movie. Two, at least. Plus there are the two Hindi girls that Harry and Ron dated in Goblet of Fire, and the token Asian Cho in Order of the Pheonix. Aggressive Agnostic: I don't know, and you don't either! |
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Posts: 709 06/28/09 19:01:15 |
jeff wrote: I stand corrected. Eartha Kitt was fantastic. I discovered that the actor who played "King Tut" was a serious actor from "What ever happened to Baby Jane". Batman did seem to have some great actors. Agnes Moorhead from Bewitched did come from "Citizen Kane". I guess Bewitched and Batman did so well because they had quality actors. I guess we sort of see the same thing today with Robert Downey Jnr in TV shows like ( Sex in the city?). ( Sorry I haven't watched Sex in the city as I assume it is a update of "Thirty Something") |
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Posts: 877 06/28/09 19:51:04 |
jeff wrote: |
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Posts: 2549 06/28/09 20:05:21 |
I stand corrected. Eartha Kitt was fantastic.
fabulous actress, singer and all around human being, actually. there was a great skit on madtv (i think) where a man is neighbours with eartha kitt's catwoman and she keeps stealing his 'r-r-r-r-ake' and, on another note, i think it would be wonderful if we always take david von ariel's threads as an opportunity to expound on the virtues of famous people of colour. I discovered that the actor who played "King Tut" was a serious actor from "What ever happened to Baby Jane". Batman did seem to have some great actors. Agnes Moorhead from Bewitched did come from "Citizen Kane". agnes moorhead can be found in the background of lots of great movies - coincidentally, one is 'hush hush sweet charlotte', which was aldrich's follow up to baby jane. and charlotte's daddy? victor buono aka king tut. I guess Bewitched and Batman did so well because they had quality actors. well, odd actors, at any rate. they both seemed to be venues for well known but seldom featured actors such as burgess meridith, paul lynde and frank gorshin. |
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Posts: 710 06/28/09 20:14:57 |
jeff wrote: and, on another note, i think it would be wonderful if we always take david von ariel's threads as an opportunity to expound on the virtues of famous people of colour.Yes I agree. David should join us. Who added more to the development of popular music culture...Sammy Davis Jnr or Michael Jackson? I'd say Sammy Davis because he proved older entertainers could wear groovy outfits and didn't give a "rats arse" if he was black or not ( and neither could his buddies) |
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Posts: 2550 06/28/09 20:24:19 |
I'd say Sammy Davis because he proved older entertainers could wear groovy outfits and didn't give a "rats
arse" if he was black or not ( and neither could his buddies)
no argument here, simply because sammy also had to fight segregation and helped pave the way for performers like jackson. he also showed you can be incredibly famous without becoming a nut. he gets bonus points as well for confounding david for being black and a jew. does not compute! |
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Posts: 711 06/28/09 23:03:53 |
jeff wrote: Hmmm oddly, Sammy was not a handsome man ( glass eye) and this did not seem to be a problem at all either. I think that is yet another "victory" by Sammy Davis. I can imagine Sammy Davis could walk on to stage with nothing and entertain us for hours where as Michael Jackson would probably just say "I love you" for two hours. I have a lot of respect for entertainers like Peter Allen and Sammy Davis who can sing, dance, tell jokes, pay piano, juggle, all in one show. Its not "my cup of tea" but I still have respect. Johnny Carson, from the skeptic's pantheon of "gods", could do all these things. |
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Posts: 2551 06/29/09 00:34:11 |
Hmmm oddly, Sammy was not a handsome man ( glass eye) and this did not seem to be a problem at all either.
reminds me of the joke - what's black and white and has two eyes? sammy davis and sandy duncan. is that racist? i can't tell anymore. |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 3875 06/29/09 02:38:24 |
jeff wrote: Judging people by their skin color is racist. Mentioning their skin color isn't, usually. This joke doesn't portray either performer as better or worse than the other based upon their skin color. It's just insensitive to a physical ailment that afflicts many wonderful people. It's not AS insensitive as that 'joke' i'm teaching my kids. The one where you hold a big marble in your hand, sneeze and throw it across the room. Then you cover one eye and shout: My Glass Eye! and watch helpful, sympathetic people scramble around to find it for you... As for the influential blacks subtopic, i served a few patrols on the USS George Washington Carver. His development of peanut-based technologies, techniques, products and uses contributed quite a bit to society. He's one of the people i was thinking of when David asked for the name of a successful black country and i offered the US. |
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Posts: 402 07/01/09 05:06:05 |
Sorry, Eartha was a great lady but only Julie Newmar is the real Catwoman.
On the other hand I stand with the majority about Sammy. While he gets attention for his singing, joking & such he is still underrated for his serious acting ability. And the joke isn't racist but you'd have to explain who Sandy Duncan is to the kids (under 40) in the audience. |
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Posts: 334 07/01/09 15:03:04 |
Who cares? Noone gets into heaven. Noone sells EVERYTHING of his/her own.
Also: if there happen to turn out, there is a heaven, I'd better spend the forever listening Jacko and similar great performancer, than mad boring preachers like DBA. |
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Posts: 61 07/01/09 16:00:41 |
I wonder what any Christian MJ fans who are deeply religious are thinking. My understanding is that although he used to be a Jehovah's witness, he had been
converted as a Muslim or had at least explored Islam.
I'm sure his detractors think he's burning in hell for pedophilia, etc. But what about the fans? Do they think that MJ is in hell? That God saved him anyway because he's famous and well-loved? Maybe he converted in his heart right before he died? I wonder if most people really think about this or not. I used to think non-believers went to hell, an idea I never liked. It's much better to think that people, however good or bad they were, just die than to think God refuses to let them in to heaven or tortures them forever and ever.
I Am The Blog - site with blog, news, links and other
information for atheists and other freethinkers (agnostics, skeptics, etc.)
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Posts: 2552 07/01/09 16:45:11 |
Sorry, Eartha was a great lady but only Julie Newmar is the real Catwoman.
sorry, but nobody remembers that julie newmar even WAS catwoman, but eartha kitt impersonations are fairly standard. all are superior to halle berry, tho i kinda liked michelle pfieffer's - at least her breakdown tho cleaning herself and eating live birds was a bit over the top. And the joke isn't racist but you'd have to explain who Sandy Duncan is to the kids (under 40) in the audience. heck, i'd be surprised if our kid knows what a glass eye is. |
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Keith and Company |
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Posts: 3886 07/01/09 17:41:24 |
Hell, Hovind's fans keep praying for his release, as such a godly man MUST be innocent of the evil charges the evil government made up to persecute him
with. They're so jealous...
So, any true Jackson fan will easily believe that jealous hacks have made up all the lies and weirdness, so their Hero is moonwalking on a cloud. |
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