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The account in Matthew, as in the other gospels, does not contain all of the details. It is interesting that verse 5 says "And the angel answered and said unto the women..." Prior to verse 5, there is nothing recorded of what the women said that would be "answered" by the angels. In other words, all of the details of the visits, the conversations, what was seen be whom, etc., are not... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (David from Texas) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8172 Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:29:24 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8202/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8202
For details about Matthew 27:52-53, and how these events fit into the general timeline, see the threads in which I address those verses specifically.

P15: ... "it is also the fulfillment of isaiah [26]:19 and ezekiel 37:12-14. what are your thoughts?"

I think that the fulfillment of 26:19 is yet to come. The passage in Exekiel 37 I interpret as a prolonged vivid expression about the restoration of Israel, not about literal resurrection as... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8202 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:09:37 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8169/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8169

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Once again, you have committed the fallacy of verse order always dictating chronological order. You are forcing the text to say something that is not there.

There is nothing in the passage that indicates that the women witnessed the earthquake, the angel descending from heaven, the stone being rolled back, etc.


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I have noticed that the phrase "And, behold..." occasionally breaks the chronological sequence.


I just did a BLB search for "behold" and noticed that its usages throughout Matthew fairly consistently are NOT referring to previous events (I say "fairly consistently" because it's not 100%, but definitely the overwhelming majority). Click here for some... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (David from Texas) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8166 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:36:19 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8201/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8201 feeds@yuku.com (planner15) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8201 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:56:47 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8195/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8195

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(planner15): only those who have had the experience can understand it.

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Spoken like a true Hindu/Psychic/Alien Abductee.

Please consider the implications of this thread (at least where we've broken away from the "Easter Challenge). ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8195 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:42:11 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8189/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8189

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(The Dutch Baker): Alright, I give up on this thread.

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I sincerely hope that doesn't mean you will also give up on critically analyzing your belief system.

That is what people have been doing for thousands of years: failing to examine their belief systems. Is it any wonder that they believe in Sacred Cows, or whatever unreasoned, illogical beliefs that you hold as... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8189 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:39:17 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8200/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8200
And that's Isaiah 26:19. Not 27. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Keith and Company) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8200 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:37:35 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8194/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8194 there is no such thing as a born again anything except a born again christian. only christianity claims that a person must become reborn through the surrendering of their old beliefs and their old way of life to take on entirely new beliefs and a new way of life. other religions may claim converts or require various rituals to be done inorder to show conversion, but only christianity requires a person to become totally remade. it requires all the okld thinking and feeling and knowing and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (planner15) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8194 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:20:49 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8188/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8188 feeds@yuku.com (The Dutch Baker) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8188 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:44:33 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8193/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8193

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(planner15): while it is true that most people believe what they are brought up to believe and follow the religions they are taught in their youth and which are reinforced by their adult relationships,

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Naturally. This is hard to refute.

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(planner15): true born again christianity preempts... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8193 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:43:00 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8199/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8199 "thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. awake and sing, ye that dwell in the dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead." isaiah 27:19

fullfilled in matthew 27:52-53 "and the graves were opened and many bodies of the saints which slept arose and came out of the graves after hsi resurrection, and went into the holy city and appeared unto many" ]]> feeds@yuku.com (planner15) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8199 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:26:39 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8192/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8192 i want to respond to your premise that one believes what they are brought up to believe. i am a messianic jew, in other words, i am a person who has discovered that Jesus is the messiah whom my people the jews are waiting for. this is not something i was brought up to believe. in fact, jews are brought up not to believe in Jesus at all. however, the Lord himself revealed himself to me, both in person and in his word and i became a born again believer and follower of him inspite of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (planner15) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8192 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:21:15 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8198/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8198

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What does Isa 27:19 say?
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(The Dutch Baker): I think I did answer your question.
Question: Why Christianity rather than a different religion?

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That was clearly not my question. I even directly paraphrased my question and asked it again in the previous post, and pointed directly at it as "the question". Here is is again, quoted exactly as I wrote it:
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Most muslims don't have a choice of religion.

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while apostasy is punishable by death in some nations, most of islam's newest devotees are from the west, where one does have a choice of religion.

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I realize that a lot of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (jeff) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8187 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:53:00 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8186/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8186 Question: Why Christianity rather than a different religion?
Answer: Because despite 2000 years of skeptics asking that and many other questions, Christianity never falters. It's centered on an amazingly unlikely sequence of events. Although it seems that a simple historical analysis would cause Christianity to crumble in a heap of logic, it doesn't. The only likely explaination is that it's based in solid truth. Another way to answer your... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (The Dutch Baker) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8186 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:49:28 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8185/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html#reply-8185
My question is (basically, watered down) "why do people believe weird things and pass them on?". In response, you merely told me that you "believe weird things"..... see my problem? In fact, you restate it very plainly right here:

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(The Dutch Baker): The most improbable thing about Chritianity is, for... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8185 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:46:08 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/998/t/Matthew-28-Preface-The-Easter-Challenge.html feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/998 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:46:12 GMT