Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/996/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:32:17 GMT Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:18:32 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/996/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8149/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8149
Waterrock: I'm not depending on "subtle deception." I'm just pointing out the different ways in which the word "temptation" is capable of being packed, and showing how such differences can and should affect how we understand Matthew 6:13 and some other passages.

I said you were using subtle deception, and I think you were, even if the deception was in part self-deception too. The difference you posit between temptation and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TheCausticGnostic) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8149 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:18:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8148/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8148
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I'm just pointing out the different ways in which the word "temptation" is capable of being packed,
Most words in the English language carry multiple meanings. Look up anything in Merriam-Webster online for example.

As the caustic one points out, why would a god as powerful as the god of Abraham purportedly is rely on obscure, finely balanced points of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8148 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:22:46 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8147/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8147
I'm not depending on "subtle deception." I'm just pointing out the different ways in which the word "temptation" is capable of being packed, and showing how such differences can and should affect how we understand Matthew 6:13 and some other passages.

CG: "How about a situation of temptation?"

Sure; a situation of temptation can be an opportunity for some good to be accomplished, even if it is only the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8147 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:22:47 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8146/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8146
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waterrock depends upon subtle deception.
No joke!!!
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In other words, if we are truly defined as being of free will, then a temptation could lead to good and a test could lead to bad, foiling both the Devil and God! Doh!
Great point!
feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8146 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:25:50 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8145/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8145
I have not posted on the SAB board before, not under any name. I have posted on various other boards at times on various matters under various guises, though. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TheCausticGnostic) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8145 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:26:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8144/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8144
I've read a couple of your posts and like your style! It feels familiar. Have you posted under a different name?

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The fact that stares one in the face is that people of the greatest sincerity and of all levels of intelligence differ and have always differed in their religious beliefs. Since at most one faith can... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8144 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:28:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8143/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html#reply-8143
There is no meaningful distinction between tempts and tests, in this regard. It is telling though, that God's word is so flaky that it can be twisted to make apparent sense anyway.

Waterrock writes:

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What sort of temptation is James talking... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TheCausticGnostic) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8143 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:17:46 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 6:13 - Lead Us Not Into Temptation ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/996/t/Matthew-6-13-Lead-Us-Not-Into-Temptation.html
A: These two texts are consistent both technically and conceptually. Lets look at the technical side of things here first: if James 1:13 says, God does not tempt people, and Jesus instructs us to pray to God not to lead us into temptation, then the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/996 Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:32:17 GMT