Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/937/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:44:38 GMT Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:03:58 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/937/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7790/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7790 feeds@yuku.com (Flying Nosehair) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7790 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:03:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7789/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7789
D: ... "I've looked at several major translations, and every single one of them translates it as "falling" (or another derivative of "fall"), most including "headlong.""

Goodspeed's translation, and Moffatt's, translates it as "swelling up" or something close to that. The RSV has "swelling up" as an alternate rendering in a footnote.

F.F. Bruce, in his commentary on Acts (New London Commentary... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7789 Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:19:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7782/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7782
"If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7782 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:06:23 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7788/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7788
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If a man were to be poisoned at 12:00, and then shot at 12:01, and he died at a hospital at 1:00, and no one performed an autopsy, people could fairly say "He was poisoned" and "He was shot."


There you go with your wild imagination again. feeds@yuku.com (Diskeyezed) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7788 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:36:06 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7787/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7787
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(Waterrock): Matthew doesn't say "He hanged himself and this, and only this, immediately caused him to die."

Why can't what the Bible "doesn't say" be used?

Correct me if I am wrong, but you defend a local flood and 42 children being mauled by a she-bear based on what the Bible "doesn't say". You defend your viewpoint with what the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7787 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:42:03 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7786/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7786
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As I mentioned, however mystifying Papias' comment may be in other respects, it's "at least a little bit relevant" because it refers to Judas as being swelled-up, which seems to be a trace of the early understanding of "prenes."


Or, Papias' comments could have been the impetus for the mistranslation of prenes feeds@yuku.com (Franciscan Monkey) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7786 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:21:05 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7785/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7785
D: "Yet, Matthew doesn't say that Judas merely attempted to hang himself (but failed). It says that he hanged himself. Thus, the "usual resolution" is very flimsy (and that's an understatement)."

It just relies on readers' ability to discern that Matthew's description was not exhaustive. If a man were to be poisoned at 12:00, and then shot at 12:01, and he died at a hospital at 1:00, and no one performed an autopsy, people could fairly say... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7785 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:43:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7781/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7781
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There is also the version with martians.


Ah, so you heard about the spaceship propeller too, eh? ;)

"As for the truth, it... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Diskeyezed) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7781 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:35:07 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7783/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7783
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The plan was to hang himself by having his friend drive the chariot out from under Judas leaving him hanging in the air.(Judas was to fat to climb up on a horse or anything) Well things didn't go as planned. Just as Judas got the noose around his neck and the rope over a limb, the other end of the rope landed on one of the horses noses startling it. The horses reared backwards and Judas fell head first out of the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Diskeyezed) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7783 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:33:37 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7784/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7784
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Q: Matthew 27:5 says that Judas died by hanging himself. But Acts 1:18 sats that falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. Well, what was the mode of death? Hanging, or falling headlong? The accounts obviously are contradictory!

A: The usual resolution to this objection is to point out that it is possible for a person to hang himself and to fall headlong. For instance, if Judas... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Diskeyezed) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7784 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:24:42 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7780/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7780
"If I were God, and I made myself into a regular ol' person, I would have written down the stuff I said myself. I would have had people there with me taking notes. I wouldn't rely on people from the generation after my death to get the story right." - i would be an astronaut on the SAB Message Board
]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7780 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:14:05 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7779/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html#reply-7779
You forgot to incorporate Papias chariot crushing into your explanation of events.

So here is my explanation. A very fat Judas (some people eat a lot when depressed and he could afford it you know with the money he got) in a drunken stupor went with another drunken friend by way of Judas new chariot out to a field Judas recently purchased. (people also buy things when depressed) The plan was to hang himself by having his friend drive the chariot out from under Judas... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (2fleas) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7779 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:08:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 27:5 - The Death of Judas ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/937/t/Matthew-27-5-The-Death-of-Judas.html Q: Matthew 27:5 says that Judas died by hanging himself. But Acts 1:18 sats that falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. Well, what was the mode of death? Hanging, or falling headlong? The accounts obviously are contradictory!

A: The usual resolution to this objection is to point out that it is possible for a person to hang himself and to fall headlong. For instance, if Judas hung himself from somewhere high on the city walls, or from... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/937 Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:44:38 GMT