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The Moloch cult included ritual rape and cannibalism. Spare us this wisdom. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Limudyah) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7746 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:25:59 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7741/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7741
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WR: the skeptic who posits a contradiction is simultaneously positing the non-existence of any resolution;

B: That does not follow. I don't understand your logic here.

WR: It /does/ follow.

When somebody posits a contradiction, it is because they have, up to the point of making the statement, have observed no resolution. It does not then follow that there... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7741 Mon, 19 Sep 2005 06:18:16 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7740/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7740
WR: "the skeptic who posits a contradiction is simultaneously positing the non-existence of any resolution;"

B: "That does not follow. I don't understand your logic here."

~~ It /does/ follow. If someone says, "Statement A contradicts Statement B," he is implying that either A is false, or B is false, or both are false. If his claim is correct, then it is impossible for both A and B to be true. ~~

B: ... "We do... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7740 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:08:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7739/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7739
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the skeptic who posits a contradiction is simultaneously positing the non-existence of any resolution;

That does not follow. I don't understand your logic here.

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The contradiction-claim is not "Solution A doesn't solve the problem," it's "There is no solution to the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7739 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:18:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7738/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7738
B: "If it is not true, then it does not solve the difficulty."

Well, yeah, but here's the picture: the skeptic who posits a contradiction is simultaneously positing the non-existence of any resolution; otherwise we'd have just questions about apparent discrepancies, not claims of actual contradictions. The contradiction-claim is not "Solution A doesn't solve the problem," it's "There is no solution to the problem."

To draw an... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7738 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:22:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7744/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7744
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he started dabbling in paganism towards the end of his life, didn't he, and became a bit of a party boy?

Sounds wiser to me.
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"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
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]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tanstaafl) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7744 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:07:11 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7743/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7743 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (iam8) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7743 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:38:10 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7737/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7737
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If it is not true, then it does not solve the difficulty.
Good point. It reflects on the apologist's requirements for proof. WR seems to imply he'll take ANY possibility as proof of non-contradiction.
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Evolution is about mutation and sex. Intelligent Design is about metaphysics and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7737 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:25:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7742/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7742
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I'm saying that the initial gift was not the /full/ gift; Solomon's wisdom increased as time went by.


how do you come to this conclusion, wr? its my impression that, if anything, solomon became less 'wise' as time went on - he started dabbling in paganism towards the end of his life, didn't he, and became a bit of a party boy? ]]> feeds@yuku.com (jeff) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7742 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:27:59 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7736/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7736
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I did not mean to give the impression that the alternative solution and the other one are both true, only that both solve the difficulty

If it is not true, then it does not solve the difficulty. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7736 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:16:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7735/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7735
WR: "An alternative solution is of the Slice-The-Knot variety: simply observe that Solomon was told that there would be no one like him, /not/ that there would be no one better."

Badsidhe: "Then this is a total non-statement by God. There could be countless people wiser than Solomon before Solomon, and countless people wiser than Solomon after Solomon."

Precisely; that's the weakness of this alternate solution. I did not mean to give the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7735 Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:19:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7745/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7745 feeds@yuku.com (iam8) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7745 Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:00:15 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7734/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7734
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God promises Solomon, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.

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An alternative solution is of the Slice-The-Knot variety: simply observe that Solomon was told that there would be no one... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7734 Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:25:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7733/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7733
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Solomon therefore received of God a greater measure of wisdom than any other man created with the Adamic nature of the first Adam because Jesus was not born.

Not according to Waterrock:
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Solomon accumulated wisdom the hard way, like a hang-glider who glides farther than anyone else, but only... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7733 Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:19:27 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7732/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html#reply-7732 feeds@yuku.com (iam8) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7732 Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:58:43 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 12:42 - Greater Than Solomon ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/929/t/Matthew-12-42-Greater-Than-Solomon.html
A: Jesus. But this doesnt undo the contents of First Kings 3:12, since Jesus was not like Solomon. Solomon accumulated wisdom the hard way, like a hang-glider who... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/929 Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:18:17 GMT