Faith versus works http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/928/t/Faith-versus-works.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:07:47 GMT Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:28:46 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/928/t/Faith-versus-works.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7728/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7728
My DH had one supervisor who was a devout Southern Baptist: by his Church's teachings, DH and I were 'lost'. Yet it was ALSO an article of this man's faith that he would never inflict his religious views on 'others' in any unkind or impolite way. In fact, when one of his overly-zealous young church... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (1skybluepink) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7728 Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:28:46 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7730/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7730
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Briefly it seems to me the theology is that everything we do that is good, is assisted by God anyway. Therefore our ability to have faith comes from God. Even faith is therefore grace. The decision to accept that grace is, however, ours. How can it be grace if the decision is ours? Because grace is still out there, waiting for us, even if we haven't decided or reject it.


It... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (mez1) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7730 Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:04:27 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7727/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7727
I was raised in the heart of Quakerdom, Philadelphia - perhaps that's part of it? Friends ('Society of Friends' aka 'Quakers') do indeed consider 'tolerance' a virtue to be pursued - though by 'tolerance' they mean much closer to 'acceptance' than the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (1skybluepink) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7727 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:26:55 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7729/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7729
I'll try my best to respond as follows:

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I would also like to ask you if you personally think good works are possible without faith?


Yes. I can't really say why, but I think so. Maybe there is some test of motive that... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (utopian indigent) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7729 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:16:07 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7726/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7726
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it's possible to interpret the scriptures to be 'exclusive' or 'inclusive' regarding other faiths.


I'm sure that's true. It was inappropriate for me to say 'most religions' as if I was familiar with even a fraction of them.

Anyway, the Christianity I am used to is very much exclusive. True Christians are 'saved' and everyone else, well, isn't. At the most basic... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (AniRB) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7726 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:39:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7731/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7731
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We are saved by grace through faith alone.


What does this mean? If salvation is by grace then faith can have nothing to do with it. It's not grace if faith is also required.
If God wanted us to be Atheists we'd be born that way.
]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rev Etherman) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7731 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:47:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7725/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7725
Has anyone done a survey on this topic? Just wondering. I think it's more of an 'attitude' than any actual doctrine... Within the faiths I'm at all familiar with (Abrahamic 3, Hinduism, Buddhism), it's possible to interpret the scriptures to be 'exclusive' or... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (1skybluepink) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7725 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:53:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7724/t/Faith-versus-works.html#reply-7724
If I understand you (and the popular apologist's position) on this...

faith leads to salvation.
faith also leads to good works.
"faith" without good works is not real faith.

good works without faith does not lead to salvation.

correct?

If faith without works is not real faith, how does that reconcile with the idea that everyone sins, even the faithful?

I would also like to ask you if you personally think good works are possible... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (AniRB) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7724 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:20:23 GMT <![CDATA[ Faith versus works ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/928/t/Faith-versus-works.html
"James 2:14, 17, 20, 24-26
'Can faith save him?'
Is Salvation by faith alone?
'Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.'
What must you do to be saved?"

However, there is no real contradiction here.

 feeds@yuku.com (utopian indigent) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/928 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:07:47 GMT