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It was not uncommon in first-century Judea and Galilee for one individual to have two names


That the gospel writers referred to Judas and Batholemew by both alterate names (Thaddaeus and Nathanael respectively) and yet not even once so the central figure in all of Christianity (Jesus as Immanuel) is startling. feeds@yuku.com (Jesus Lied For You) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7359 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:50:33 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7358/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7358
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This might still be a contradiction.


Now that is a very salient conclusion. Of course it might be. Very little logical result in absolute form is ever achieved in this (and similar) debates. I normally only have issues when conclusions are formed in absolute terms without absolute substantiation. That is what makes any absolutely true conclusion so rare and beautiful,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (utopian indigent) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7358 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 04:30:42 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7357/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7357
"It is my observation and experience that the only thing which is clear about Christianity in general is that it is not clear." - Mez1 on the Skeptics Annotated Bible Message Board
]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7357 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:15:56 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7356/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7356
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This might still be a contradiction.


Perhaps. But unlike almost all of his resolutions this one is actually plausible. Linking Nathaniel with Bartholomew is completely speculative, AFAIK. OTOH, there's certainly enough evidence from the Bible that the same person could be known by different names (regardless of why they might do that). For example Peter is explicitely... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rev Etherman) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7356 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:03:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7355/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7355
This might still be a contradiction.
"It is my observation and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7355 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:43:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7354/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7354
This particular 'contradiction' reminds me very much of the silliness described by Paul in Titus 3:9 _ "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (utopian indigent) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7354 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:27:43 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7353/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7353
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If non believers can not see it or touch it, you must be a freak.
No. What makes you freaks to us nonbelievers is your inability to humble yourselves and consider that your holy books might be wrong. What makes you freaks is that you believers revere a being who would kill people just to show off his power, whether or not that being ever really existed. What makes you freaks is that... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7353 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:24:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7352/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7352 feeds@yuku.com (matthewt7) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7352 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:18:56 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7351/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7351
Thank you very much "Limudyah" for resurrecting a year old post. Useful.
"[...] if there is an afterlife where justice will be served at last and everyone will get what they deserve, why bother instituting any sort of earthly justice? Why fight an evil dictator or imprison a criminal if he'll eventually get what's coming to him anyway? Why try to help the poor or the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7351 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:17:50 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7350/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7350
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So what you are suggesting is that God could not positively "inspire" the identification of an individual, because he was contrained by the language of the person he was inspiring?
Beautifully put.
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A burning bush that talks was good enough for Moses, and frankly it would... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7350 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:48:48 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7349/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7349
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It was not uncommon in first-century Judea and Galilee for one individual to have two names -- or, one Aramaic name, and a Greek form of the Aramaic name.
So what you are suggesting is that God could not positively "inspire" the identification of an individual, because he was constrained by the language of the person he was inspiring? ]]> feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7349 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:02:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7348/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7348
Thanks I knew Didymus meant twin but never knew that about Tau'ma (not sure that it changes any thing but every piece of the puzzle is fun.)

peace
Limudyah ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Limudyah) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7348 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:13:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7347/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7347
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7.Thomas Didymas the twin


Most redundant statement of all time...

Thomas is Hebrew, it means "Twin".

Didymas is Greek, it means "Twin".

So, what you are saying...

7. Twin the Twin the twin.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Hawker Hurricane) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7347 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:28:04 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7346/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7346 2. Simon Zeolotes the Canaanite
3. James the son of Alphaeus
4.James the son of Zebedee
5. Judas Lebbaeus Thaddeus the brother of James
6. Judas Iscariot
7.Thomas Didymas the twin
8. Bartholmew Nathanel
9. John the son of Zebedee
10. Andrew
11. Philipp
12. Matthew Levi ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Limudyah) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7346 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:48:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7345/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7345
umm...well, peter and thomas were renamed by christ, as were nate and matt - according to apologies i've read. was the reason that it was common for people to go by two names because jesus spent his spare time renaming the populace?

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Jeff: "Is the James that Jude is the son of one of the other apostles?"

I don't think... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (jeff) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7345 Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:30:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7344/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7344
WR: [previously] "It was not uncommon in first-century Judea and Galilee for one individual to have two names"

Jeff: "if it is not uncommon, why don't more of the apostles on the list have a pseudonym? (one out of 12 doesn't seem common to me)"

Simon=Peter, Matthew=Levi, Nathanael=Bartholomew, Thomas=Didymus.

Jeff: "The only discrepancy on the list has not two, but three names. how common was that?"

Probably not all... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7344 Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:27:10 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/7343/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html#reply-7343
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It was not uncommon in first-century Judea and Galilee for one individual to have two names


if it is not uncommon, why don't more of the apostles on the list have a pseudonym? (one out of 12 doesn't seem common to me)

also, the only discrepancy on the list has not two, but three names. how common was that?

also, is the James that Jude is the son of one of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (jeff) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/7343 Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:26:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 10:2 - Who Are The 12 Apostles? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/902/t/Matthew-10-2-Who-Are-The-12-Apostles-.html
A: It was not uncommon in first-century Judea and Galilee for one individual to have two names -- or, one Aramaic name, and a Greek form of the Aramaic name. Its a Gandalf=Mithrandir sort of thing. Also, some names were very common (Judas for example), and for claritys sake when repetition of the same name occurred, a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/902 Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:53:18 GMT