The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/865/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Thu, 04 Aug 2005 06:33:19 GMT Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:24:00 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/865/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40475/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40475 You're correct in that the knowledge, once attained, cannot be relinquished. That's the reason God told Adam and Eve that they "would surely die". The penalty for human disobedience was to become mortal (Genesis 2:15-17; 3:1-4) and die. The basis for selecting a collection of faithful folks (Abel, Noah, Abraham (nee Abram)) laid the groundwork for the inevitable part Jesus would perform.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40475 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:23:59 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40456/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40456
You've selected interesting Genesis citations. What Bible translation version are you using for reference?
I'm using the New International Version (NIV as found on www.biblegateway.com). It'd be useful to read from the same page, if we want to discuss this.


Sab uses KJV.


You quote Genesis 3 (verses which say "serpent") and you tell me that it's equivalent to "snake". This... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jenth101) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40456 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:53:10 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40455/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40455 corwin17:

http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40455 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:52:43 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40454/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40454 A case in point: dinosaurs. A large number of those ancient "serpents" crawled on their bellies.

Total lie. A distinguishing feature of dinosaurs is their upright, fully-improved stance.

You're talking out of your arse. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40454 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:43:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40453/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40453 corwin17:
I'm using (www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary) for any common word definitions' reference.

feeds@yuku.com (FrigateSkimmer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40453 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:41:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40452/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40452 Jenth 101:

Serpent - literal vs. symbolic

You've selected interesting Genesis citations. What Bible translation version are you using for reference?
I'm using the New International Version (NIV as found on www.biblegateway.com). It'd be useful to read from the same page, if we want to discuss this.
You quote Genesis 3 (verses which say "serpent") and you tell me that it's... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FrigateSkimmer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40452 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:50:39 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/40451/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-40451 This was a mistaken Reply selection. The real material is respondent to Jenth 101

]]> feeds@yuku.com (FrigateSkimmer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/40451 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:48:20 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39905/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-39905 Genealogies:

It's a well-known fact that the Genealogies in Mt and Lk disagree. The standard explanation is that they are Jesus' double descent from David. However, this does not hold water for a number of reasons.

There is a 15-generation discrepancy. This is just too big to ignore. For instance, genealogies are... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39905 Thu, 22 May 2008 02:27:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39829/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-39829 FrigateSkimmer wrote:

But, they listened to another individual, an angel called Satan who decided to let pride guide his actions. He contradicted the Creator and they listened - which brought consequences. There were consequences for both the human pair and Satan.

No; Genesis is quite clear that it was a snake, the animal, that talked to Eve.
feeds@yuku.com (Jenth101) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39829 Sun, 18 May 2008 18:04:59 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39746/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-39746 then perhaps you can explain to me why his second question is not incorrect? Why would I explain something that is correct as being incorrect?

They were perfect - without blemish or sin, and fully capable of remaining that way.
BZZZT! Wrong answer!

If you want to argue from this perspective, perfection would only be possible if one does not have the knowledge of good and evil,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (corwin17) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39746 Mon, 12 May 2008 20:02:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39735/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-39735
Based upon the sample size, the possibility that any bar picked at random from the assembly line might fatigue An omniscient being would know exactly when it would fatigue.

Now, tell me, Argy, are you a parent? If so, when you had your child,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39735 Mon, 12 May 2008 01:35:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39728/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-39728
You wrote…
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I'd suggest you lurk here a bit more before making this assumption/recommendation to *ANY* of us. I'd be willing to bet serious money that Yark has read more of your book than you.
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... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FrigateSkimmer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39728 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:01:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39727/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-39727 To Argy:

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Can you explain for me how you think the concept of "risk" applies to an omniscient, omnipotent being? "Risk" implies a lack of knowledge about an... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FrigateSkimmer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39727 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:00:45 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38888/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-38888 FrigateSkimmer wrote:


Since you don't seem to have some of the fundamental information, I'd suggest you read the Book.



I'd suggest you lurk here a bit more before making this assumption/recommendation to *ANY* of us. I'd be willing to bet serious money that Yark has read more of your book than you. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (corwin17) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38888 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:08:38 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38885/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-38885
But, He decided to go ahead anyway - knowing the risks of creating beings who could think for themselves. There was a risk that His creations wouldn't respond as He'd hoped. But, He did it anyway, and made provision for it. Can you explain for me how you think the concept of "risk"... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38885 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:33:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38853/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-38853 ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Why doesn't this god, IF HE EXISTS, truly humble himself by coming before all of humanity and apologize for making us weak? Apologize for making us incapable of perfection? Apologize for forcing us into a life that we never asked for just to satisfy his own needs, whatever the hell they are?
... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FrigateSkimmer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38853 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:13:45 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38675/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-38675 feeds@yuku.com (Hawker Hurricane) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38675 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:48:13 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38658/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-38658 Seems like a pointless exercise on the part of Matt and the Luke.

I don't buy the "Mary's line" argument at all. It was a patriarchal line throughout, then suddenly we're going through Mary.
]]> feeds@yuku.com (briansnat) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38658 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:31:48 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6545/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-6545
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Jesus' sacrifice and death as evidence that God would humble Himself in order to preserve His creations.
Oh, big sacrifice! OOO! An indestructible being squeezed himself into a human body and had it killed, only to go back to being the big guy in charge. Excuse me if I don't cry a river.

Why doesn't this god, IF HE EXISTS, truly humble himself by coming before all of humanity... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6545 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:52:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6544/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html#reply-6544
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The disciples' faith, in my opinion, came as a result of hearing and seeing what Jesus did. They weren't convinced until later.
That's my point. If his disciples were sceptical then we are entitled to be doubly so.
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His claim to be the Son of God,
I don't believe he said he... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6544 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:24:46 GMT <![CDATA[ The Genealogies in Matthew and Luke ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/865/t/The-Genealogies-in-Matthew-and-Luke.html
A: No; they are different, and the differences are somewhat complicated compared to a simple family-tree list that one might make for oneself today, but the lists are not contradictory. Lets take a look at the differences to see if they imply error on the part of Matthew or Luke.

1. Lukes list is longer. Luke works... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/865 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 06:33:19 GMT