Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/860/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:11:02 GMT Sun, 04 May 2008 06:58:44 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/860/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/39544/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-39544 feeds@yuku.com (FaithF111) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/39544 Sun, 04 May 2008 06:58:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38406/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-38406 feeds@yuku.com (santaisgod) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38406 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:31:27 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38327/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-38327
Why does it not bother you? ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38327 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:42:20 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/38316/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-38316 feeds@yuku.com (WordClock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/38316 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:36:29 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6408/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6408
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Purple and scarlet can describe the same color. I think it is Homer in "The Illiad" who describes blood as being purple. Look at the purple worn by Roman Emperors and you will see that it is actually quite reddish. So this is kind of a nit-picky contradiction for me.


i'd have to agree that i have read apologetics to this effect and they are fairly convincing. my... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (jeff) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6408 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:12 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6407/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6407
Purple and scarlet can describe the same color. I think it is Homer in "The Illiad" who describes blood as being purple. Look at the purple worn by Roman Emperors and you will see that it is actually quite reddish. So this is kind of a nit-picky contradiction for me.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (i would be an astronaut) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6407 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:24:43 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6406/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6406
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Languages and meanings of words do change, but the word of God doesn't.
So what you're saying is that since people today don't read the original word of god (since no original text exists and it would disintegrate in their hands if it did) all people reading the bible today are reading the changed "languages and meanings of words" that may have nothing to do with the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (corwin17) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6406 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:47:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6416/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6416
Yup - and blackberries are red when they're green ............

'Scarlet' is not 'purple' - and different languages have different divisions of the color wheel. IOW, the wavelength of the range which you or I might describe as 'red' may or may not be the same as indicated by a word commonly translated as 'red' from the Navajo tongue. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (1skybluepink) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6416 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:55:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6405/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6405
Conversely, red dyes were cheap (a reason suggested as a major consideration for dyeing military tunics). Nobody in their right mind is going to use an expensive purple dye to create a red colour when you could create a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6405 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:15:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6404/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6404 1. Any of a group of colors with a hue between that of violet and red.
2.Cloth of a color between violet and red, formerly worn as a symbol of royalty or high office.
3. Imperial power; high rank: born to the purple.

So purple can mean royalty or a color between violet and red, so if it means royalty, then Jesus wore a ROYAL scarlet robe. Languages and meanings of words do change, but the word of God... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (believer1) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6404 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:59:20 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6403/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6403 feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6403 Mon, 15 May 2006 20:17:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6428/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6428
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(BaZ): Purple didn't come to mean 'purple' until about the 17th century.


Bad translation? The KJV author should have translated "purpureus" to "scarlet" for his contemporary readers?

What was the description for a purple color before "purple" meant "purple"? ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6428 Mon, 15 May 2006 18:04:01 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6427/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6427
I think starlight is way off on his explanation, as he's trying to jump through one too many hoops to make this fit. However, I think the explanation is very easy, in this case: purple meant scarlet. C.f. my original post about the Oxford English Dictionary's usage.

Purple didn't come to mean 'purple' until about the 17th century. The word used in the Greek, purpureus, should, thus, be read as 'scarlet' - which is pretty in line with a description of his cloak as crimson.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Ba al Zebhubh) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6427 Sun, 14 May 2006 21:08:21 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6424/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6424
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I believe you are mistaking an explanation for the contradiction, with a lack of contradiction.


Yes! That's exactly what he's doing.

It's worse than that, though. He doesn't just have one likely explanation that he believes in, he's got several possible explanations, and there's no confirmation in the Bible... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (AniRB) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6424 Fri, 12 May 2006 06:48:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6425/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6425
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What if the robe was both scarlet AND purple?


Where does the text say this?

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I mean, a similar analogy would be the me wearing a hat thats white and black. You say I placed a white hat on, yet another says it was black. Is there a contradiction?
... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Iznomneak) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6425 Fri, 12 May 2006 05:43:54 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6430/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6430
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Plus, for a side thought, I have heard that it we shouldn't be surprised if there were two garments put upon him, the one a purple vest, and the other a scarlet robe over it.


The text doesn't say that.

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Finally, there are different shades of purple.
... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Iznomneak) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6430 Fri, 12 May 2006 05:25:20 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6429/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6429
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(Starlight): You go through skeptical hoops trying to create imaginary scenarios to explain the problem.

I would like to reinforce that all we are doing is responding to the believer's assertion, "The Bible is without flaws".

Do you understand this point? Skeptics are responding to an assertion,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6429 Thu, 11 May 2006 20:50:15 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6423/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6423
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(Starlight): What if the robe was both scarlet AND purple?

What if? Are you just throwing this out, or is this what actually happened?

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(Starlight): You say I placed a white hat on, yet another says it was black. Is there a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6423 Thu, 11 May 2006 19:58:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6422/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6422
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This possibility is substantiated by the fact that one author of the gospels omits certain details in his writings, while the other includes it. Is this a problem?
Not in achieving salvation, probably.

But that's not why there is a SAB.

The Books is often held up as a source of absolute morals, as an infallible history, as Truth-truth-truth, which should influence our... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Keith and Company) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6422 Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:15 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/6426/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html#reply-6426
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(Starlight): You go through skeptical hoops

What is a skeptical hoop? Not believing somebody's assertion simply because they've opened their mouth and asserted it?

Skeptic's "hoop": hm..... purple is not scarlet.

Believer's hoops: ""Purple" actually refers generically to a type of dye (cf. Acts 16:14)... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/6426 Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:01 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 27:28 - The Robe: Scarlet or Purple? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/860/t/Matthew-27-28-The-Robe-Scarlet-or-Purple-.html
A: No; what we have here is analogous to a pair of grey blue jeans. Purple garments were made using a particular kind of dye, usually derived from myrex shellfish. A brief description of the ancient process of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/860 Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:11:02 GMT