Second coming- problems

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (jeff) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:28:26 GMT

I'm not sure if Sirens of Titan is filmable. How would you depict Salo from Tralthamadore? It has a Martian invasion and a sea of girl statues on Titan.

i think in our CG age, most of those things could be done. i think it's unfilmable for the same reason most of vonnegut is - stream of consciousness books don't translate to film very well (catch 22 was another that didn't quite make the leap). they did a fair job with...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Matthew Ellard) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:25:56 GMT

jeff wrote:
i was a bit surprised to learn that the rights to 'sirens of titan' were held by jerry garcia until his death. now there's a film i'd like to see.

I apologise but I think i made a mistake when I suggested all book/ film rights were owned by Willis & Nolte. It depends in who published the book. From memory, "Sirens of Titan" is his second book after "piano...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (jeff) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:04:45 GMT

i was a bit surprised to learn that the rights to 'sirens of titan' were held by jerry garcia until his death. now there's a film i'd like to see.

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Matthew Ellard) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:02:56 GMT

Daystar wrote: When I checked out the Ballard Wiki link I thought that he might have had something to do with Crash, one of my all time fovorite films, but that is a different Crash. I will check out the Slaughterhouse Five, it sounds like it might be good. It was made in 1972? I did a search and the listed it as Slaugterhouse Five (1972) which usually means there were earlier or later versions, but I didn't see any in my search...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:56:23 GMT

Matthew Ellard wrote:

Daystar wrote: Another good movie in my collection is Speilberg's Empire Of The Son with a young Christian Bale. The story of James Graham, a young Briton in a Japanese internment camp. He has touble with which side he is on or more importantly, which side he can relate to the most. British, American, Chinese or Japanese. To me it is an...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Matthew Ellard) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:29:50 GMT

Daystar wrote: Another good movie in my collection is Speilberg's Empire Of The Son with a young Christian Bale. The story of James Graham, a young Briton in a Japanese internment camp. He has touble with which side he is on or more importantly, which side he can relate to the most. British, American, Chinese or Japanese. To me it is an interesting commentary on political divisions of the human race.

This is a brilliant...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:34:56 GMT

Matthew Ellard wrote:

Argy Lacedom wrote: If God made us the way we are then he is responsible for our acts. If a scientist created a virus capable of causing death and suuffering in the world is it the fault of the virus or the fault of the scientist?

Dear Argy, you have described the premise for Stanlry Kubrick's movie A.I. In that film...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Quontir) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:49:02 GMT

Why is it that these same people are against laws against private ownership of assault weapons? Why are these people comfortable with gun jackoffs collecting weapons of mass killing?

I assume they need the assult weapons to kill those who their god hates. Best keep them legal then.

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Matthew Ellard) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:02:27 GMT

Argy Lacedom wrote: If God made us the way we are then he is responsible for our acts. If a scientist created a virus capable of causing death and suuffering in the world is it the fault of the virus or the fault of the scientist?

Dear Argy, you have described the premise for Stanlry Kubrick's movie A.I. In that film humans create a little boy robot that loves humans and "must be with his mother"....

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:44:30 GMT

I`m puzzled by your contradictory opinion here Daystar.

In another thread on human sacrifice(a bad thing,right?), you stated," Daystar - Jehovah would not have allowed someone to make a human sacrifice. "You must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations. There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire . . . For everybody doing these things is...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:41:33 GMT

Daystar:

Lets say that there was once upon a time when rape was thought to be good by most people and God decided to put an end to it by a flood. Everyone who thought that rape and murder was good was left to the flood. Would that have been good in your eyes?

No it would not be good. Murder is never a good solution to changing peoples' minds. There are many alteratives available to an omnipotent being other...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:13:16 GMT

Absolutely! These people ought to be fighting for the death penalty for abortion doctors.

Here something that bothers me, though. Why is it that these same people are against laws against private ownership of assault weapons? Why are these people comfortable with gun jackoffs collecting weapons of mass killing? When I read that Sarah palin was against the ban of private assault weapon ownership, I was like "what the fuck?" Isn't this a woman with kids? Even my...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Quontir) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:54:13 GMT

A question here:

If people share all the premises about life beginning at conception and a microscopic fertilized egg being the moral equivalent of an adult human being and that God himself considers the act of aborting that fertilized egg to be murder, doesn't it seem disingenuous to say "Let's not get too excited about this, we must settle for a few signs and chants and letters to the editor because the government says women have a right to choose abortion."...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:16:04 GMT

If abortion was as terrible as christians try to make it out to be, if making sure that every conception gets to be born is so critical, then a capable god would make sure that those fetuses would survive. There would be no such thing as spontaneous miscarriage. All attempts at abortion would fail. There would be no need for anti-abortion legislation. Ever. It would be like a gardener watching his garden for rabbits. If the gardener were capable, not a single turnip would be harmed, and a...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Matthew Ellard) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:18:51 GMT

Daystar wrote: Lets say that there was once upon a time when rape was thought to be good by most people and God decided to put an end to it by a flood. Everyone who thought that rape and murder was good was left to the flood. Would that have been good in your eyes?

This is a ridiculous question. This mythical "God" kills everyone in a flood, including those who approve or do not approve...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (rcscwc) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:28:57 GMT

Daystar wrote:
First of all, there was never supposed to be a second coming. And second the misunderstandings about a second coming in the lifetime of the apostles I dealt with here.

Very true. There was not supposed to be second coming. ost likely explanation is Jesus did not know what he was saying in Matt 24.34. Or Matthew was LYING....

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:31:51 GMT

Daystar,
Whether or not God's law is the work of God or man his law states rape is punishable by death.
Quontir,
Read your bible more closely. According to it women are chattel and if you make sure she doesn't cry out you can own her and continue your rape every day after you are wed.

To top it off, the woman gets stoned to death for being raped, in the city,having been unable to cry out loud enough to be heard. Crap! Cover her mouth, rape her , and run....

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Quontir) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:51:04 GMT

Would that have been good in your eyes?

Did it include killing little children who couldn't possible have thought those things? What about all the animals that never thought a moment about such things?

If it did then it was the most abominable action ever done.

Then who is to blame? God or man?

The person who crafts something is responsible for any flaws, thus if God created man than any flaws in Man are entirely...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:39:15 GMT

Argy, your apparent philosophical exercise projects a conclusion out of ignorance and shortsightedness. As they often do.

Argy wrote:
Yep, rape is good too - as long as god stands by and lets it happen. After all, he is powerful enough to intervene if he doesn't like that sort of thing. The fact that he allows it must mean he likes it.

Lets say that there was once upon a time when rape was...

Re: Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:34:17 GMT

Yes. It is important that we let all people act with completely free-will, unless we hear they might have WMDs. Then, we preemptively attack them with guns and bombs.

The free-will answer is nothing but an excuse for believers to believe in a god that clearly is not there. There is no sense in it at all. A good person protects children from kidnappers if he can, free-will be damned. If the biblegod exists, he is not a good person.

Second coming- problems

feeds@yuku.com (rcscwc) — Sat, 30 May 2009 20:46:22 GMT

Second coming- problems

On asked if Jews expect another prophet, Jewish response is: No, not specifically. But also that if a prophet does come, he will be known immidiately. But they do not expect another Jesus, one was too many for them.

Do the muslims expect second coming? No. For them Isa did not die, therefore it is blasphemy to talk of his return. That in fact has been a big bone of contention too.

Do Buddhists expect a saviour? No, they do not belive in...