Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Bowofhak) — Fri, 29 May 2009 05:21:32 GMT

Morgan wrote:

But parroting the same unassailable assertions denotes only consistency, which is good.

But you don't do it to answer questions. Rather you duck the questions. Consistently. Which is a 'logistical' failure.

Yes well, I've been accused of a lot of things here. This whole "ducking" issue seems to be just a nice way of declaring that you are...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Mon, 11 May 2009 19:44:54 GMT

aalli81 wrote:
I never said science and logic does not work, I said it cannot be used to prove or deny the existence of God, simply because it is not adequate.

Sure it is. It must be. You have observed the universe and concluded that it requires a creator, as a self-evident fact. This is fairly straightforward. What do you observe that demands a creator, that cannot possibly be explained by any process that...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Matthew Ellard) — Mon, 11 May 2009 19:00:06 GMT

aalli81 wrote:
I never said science and logic does not work, I said it cannot be used to prove or deny the existence of God, simply because it is not adequate. If logic and science was adequate in this instance, we would obviously not have such a discussion. Of course logic and science is essential in our world, it improves the human condition for the most part. I will continue to assert that the creation has a creator, one...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Mon, 11 May 2009 17:22:19 GMT

I never said science and logic does not work, I said it cannot be used to prove or deny the existence of God, simply because it is not adequate. If logic and science was adequate in this instance, we would obviously not have such a discussion. Of course logic and science is essential in our world, it improves the human condition for the most part. I will continue to assert that the creation has a creator, one because I do believe in God, and secondly because you cannot have a creation...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Mon, 11 May 2009 06:54:05 GMT

aalli81 wrote:
And we cannot use science or logic to prove or deny the existence of God, since we all agree that we are not perfect (human beings), consequently, our science and logic is not perfect.

What astoundingly bad logic. We don't need perfect science or logic to accomplish anything. If we did, we'd still be poking sticks in the tree the lightning struck wondering why it was so hot and shiny. Look at...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Mon, 11 May 2009 06:12:37 GMT

Morgan, I am not concern with who wins the argument. This debate about religion will go on as long as the the human race exists. And we cannot use science or logic to prove or deny the existence of God, since we all agree that we are not perfect (human beings), consequently, our science and logic is not perfect. Decartes and other philosophers pondered the existence of God, and after hundreds and sometimes thousands of pages of argument using logic and deduction, they were still perplexed,...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Mon, 11 May 2009 04:32:59 GMT

aalli81 wrote:
You claim that a demon might have written the Qur'an and then you make another claim denying that Allah and/or Demons exists.

I most certainly did not claim that a demon wrote the Q'ran. I did say that the claim that it was perfect did not mean that Allah exists or that Allah wrote or inspired the thing.

We would have to be omniscient to know that any given writing was perfect. The...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Mon, 11 May 2009 04:19:06 GMT

Morgan,

What do you believe in?

You claim that a demon might have written the Qur'an and then you make another claim denying that Allah and/or Demons exists. Seems to me that you are confused. And yeah, I can use the assistance, after all I am human, I'm not infallible.

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Sat, 09 May 2009 18:47:31 GMT

aalli81 wrote:

Bowofhak, Thank you for your assistance in clarifying this matter to the brother who denies the existence of Allah and creation itself.

AALLI

Aw. You said it was your duty to clarify this matter.
If you're not able to do this...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Sat, 09 May 2009 18:45:42 GMT

But parroting the same unassailable assertions denotes only consistency, which is good.

But you don't do it to answer questions. Rather you duck the questions. Consistently. Which is a 'logistical' failure.

Lastly the idea a demon wrote the book is nonsense for the reasons that:
a) You don't believe they exist.

I don't believe Allah exists, either. That does not make your...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Bowofhak) — Sat, 09 May 2009 17:54:38 GMT

Morgan wrote:

Then clarify why creation proves Allah and not Quezacoatl.

When ever they postulate the existence of another god, always refer to the infallibility of the Quran, for if it wasn't from Allah it would be full of crookedness and error.

In other words, if you cannot...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Sat, 09 May 2009 16:47:07 GMT

Then clarify why creation proves Allah and not Quezacoatl.

When ever they postulate the existence of another god, always refer to the infallibility of the Quran, for if it wasn't from Allah it would be full of crookedness and error.

In other words, if you cannot answer the question, if you cannot even stand to consider the question, retreat to basic rote...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Sat, 09 May 2009 16:00:28 GMT

Bowofhak, Thank you for your assistance in clarifying this matter to the brother who denies the existence of Allah and creation itself.

AALLI

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Bowofhak) — Fri, 08 May 2009 18:13:25 GMT

Brother Aalli, I'd like to thank you for your assistance. May Allah reward you for your efforts, but you must understand that the people here aren't particularly the smartest bunch, logistically speaking, I've found that they parrot the same baseless ideals all over.

Let me annotate the following to give an example

Morgan wrote:

aalli81 wrote:...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Fri, 08 May 2009 10:45:23 GMT

aalli81 wrote:

If Allah wanted to send one Prophet, he could have, but it is Allah who sent thousands of Prophets, it is part of his divine plan.

A divine plan that looks exactly the same as no plan at all. It is merely simpler to accept that there is no plan. Then you don't have to pretend that 125000 failed prophets are a 'plan.'

We were created not to be perfect,...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Fri, 08 May 2009 10:23:01 GMT

If Allah wanted to send one Prophet, he could have, but it is Allah who sent thousands of Prophets, it is part of his divine plan. It is no coincidence that the Qur'an has remain unchanged for 1300 years. Allah has protected this holy book and it will continue to be protected until the day of judgment. That is a promise from Allah. The same cannot be said for any other holy book. Islam is a religion that is perfected and that is another reason why there is no need for any other...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Fri, 08 May 2009 09:34:01 GMT

aalli81 wrote:

According to the Qur'an and the Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Mohammed) Allah has created human beings with a purpose. That purpose is to worship and glorify Him and to be aware of His existence. Henceforth, all human beings, whether a believer or non-believer; is innately aware of God.

Then God messed up. I have...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Fri, 08 May 2009 09:02:59 GMT

According to the Qur'an and the Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Mohammed) Allah has created human beings with a purpose. That purpose is to worship and glorify Him and to be aware of His existence. Henceforth, all human beings, whether a believer or non-believer; is innately aware of God. There may not be a "scientific" way to prove this.aalli81 wrote:

What I'm trying to say is that the proof for the existence of God is all around us, and if you don't see it, then you need to look within.

You say that creation proves Allah. Others say creation proves Jehovah. Others that it's Jesus. Others that it is a different Jesus. Or Raven. The creator gods of a raft of religions are proven if you accept existence itself as a proof of a...

Re: Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (aalli81) — Fri, 08 May 2009 05:43:10 GMT

You people are arguing about nonsense. Who cares if he made a mistake with the numbers. The Qur'an has remained unchanged for a specified period of time, since it was revealed to the last Prophet. Furthermore, the same cannot be said for the Bible, which is printed in numerous versions. The contradictions you have listed for the Qur'an are all wrong, and are taken out of context. I imply that these contradictions were put together by a non native speaker of Arabic and an...

Quran Contradictions are all wrong...

feeds@yuku.com (Bowofhak) — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:17:20 GMT

All your contradictions in the Quran are just misunderstandings.

Eg.

Contradictions in the Quran

1. Have some passages in the Quran been abrogated?
Not contradictory, the abrogations the verse is reffering to is the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament and other holy books God sent. However in reference to the actual abrogations in the Koran. They do exist, and they are the decisions and words of God, that are not to be changed, nor have they changed for fifteen...