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Like I said, we could argue about what is hearsay until we are blue in the face. But check out the definition of "hearsay", and then get back to me. An account from a priest about a discussion he had is not hearsay.

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If I witness (or have knowledge about) a crime and I am later questioned by the police, I must answer their questions, and I must answer them truthfully. If I am summoned to court, I must show up, I must testify and I must testify truthfully. If I fail to do any of these things, I can be... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16614 Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:42:11 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16613/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16613

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Exposing confidential matters does not necessarily make you a good person, either.

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If I witness (or have knowledge about) a crime and I am later questioned by the police, I must answer their questions, and I must answer them truthfully. If I am summoned to court, I must show up, I must testify and I must testify truthfully. If I fail to do any of these things, I can be charged with... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16613 Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:02:24 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16612/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16612

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But this isn't like attorney/client privilege (that exists in many states), which mandates that attorneys are legally prohibited from disclosing confidential conversations with their clients. Restrictions on what clergy members can disclose, and to whom they can disclose it, come from church laws, not from state laws. While it is true that, in most cases, a catholic priest cannot go to the police and report a crime that... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16612 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:22:50 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16611/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16611

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My knowledge is strictly from reading mass media and web sites like religioustolerance.org. I'm pretty sure there is a general prohibition about clergy revealing past illegal acts (e.g., bribery) to the authorities

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Well, yes, that is true. You always see it portraed that way on TV and in the movies.

But this isn't like attorney/client privilege (that exists in many states),... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16611 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:18:18 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16610/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16610

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I doubt that you lack the capacity to understand my post. All I can believe is that you are trying to illustrate something by all of this.

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I am trying to illustrate that people make mistakes, which oftentimes get treated as reflecting a whole organization. Is that what you meant?

feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16610 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:13:43 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16609/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16609

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I doubt that you lack the capacity to understand my post. All I can believe is that you are trying to illustrate something by all of this.

Pretend, if only for a moment, that you are a religious leader of some type. And a child, male or female, comes to you complaining of abuse. What do you do, and why do you do it?

So far, your argument... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16609 Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:06:38 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16608/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16608

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Thanks. That clears up my misunderstanding of your post, and I apologize that I didn't quite understand you the first time. However, it still leaves some questions regarding the original post. Waterrock seems to have made the following observations:

1. JW elders will not address alleged cases of child molestation unless there are multiple witnesses to it.

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Define... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16608 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:46:15 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16607/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16607
1. JW elders will not address alleged cases of child molestation unless there are multiple witnesses to it.
2. In the absence of multiple witnesses, JW elders will attempt to pursuade the alleged victim to remain silent about the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16607 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:20:50 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16606/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16606

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The JWs support any law that does not interfere there mission to... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16606 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:37:06 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16605/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16605

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The policy of the JWs has always been to obey local laws.

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Then, it sounds to me like the beliefs of JWs are dependant on the beliefs of those who pass the local laws. In some middle eastern countries, it is against the law to be a JW. Do JWs support this local law?

You have actually made this easier. In terms of behavior, JWs are to do... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (psychoboy) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16605 Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:26:30 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/16604/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html#reply-16604

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As Matthew 18:15 says, the instructions in v. 16 are part of a response to sins committed against oneself; this does not diminish Christians responsibility to oppose criminal activity such as child-molestation and to avoid complicity with criminals.

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I'm amazed at the facility with with you avoid the actual JW teachng. Even the SAB comment notes two of the additional three... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/16604 Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:06:02 GMT http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1716/t/Matthew-18-16-Two-Or-Three-Witnesses.html
A: (Some members of the Watchtower Society may deny that the scenario posited in this question is real, but for this response I will... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1716 Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:08:27 GMT