Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:15:13 GMT

No one worships Virgin Mary, and if there is any who does so, then it is blasphemy.

How dare you call our mighty pope blasphemous.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:13:19 GMT

Good pick up wickle!

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (ITSCLEAR) — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:40:43 GMT

Dear NannyG123

Dear

No one worships Virgin Mary, and if there is any who does so, then it is blasphemy.

However, the role of intercession needs to be clarified in order not to think it as conflicting with worshipping God.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:48:55 GMT

ITSCLEAR,
"We have a perfect example of this in the Old Testament Scripture. The word used to describe the relationship between Lot and Abraham at Genesis 14:16 is "adelphi" in the original Greek, which can only be translated as "brother" in English. Nevertheless, we know that Lot was Abraham's nephew. The Greek word "adelphos" and "adelphi" are only attempts to translate an unknown Aramaic word -...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (ITSCLEAR) — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:10:20 GMT

Dear Clara

The word used for brothers of Jesus is the same as that used to describe Lot. So if we are to consider that this word means actual biological brother instead of cousins or nephews or in-laws, then we will have to conclude that Lot was the brother of Abraham, when in fact, he was his nephew!

-Now let us not confuse Virgin Mary with the other Mary, who was the mother of James and Joseph, and who was the wife of Alphaeus-Cleopas (Matthew 27:56 ; Mark 15:40)....

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (KillerSkeptic) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:03:20 GMT

See, there u go. That's where we could potentially agree; never thought of that b4.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Keith and Company) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:45:59 GMT

In that case, after factoring enough apologist factors for why the Books can have a divine inspiration, yet doesn't make sense today, we're left with a The Books that was aimed at, and only of use for, the population of the time it was published, and meaningless to us.

Either it was written with only local and contemporary knowledge, because that's all the author knew, or it was limited to local and contemporary knowledge because that's all the author wanted to convey. Neither one...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (KillerSkeptic) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:29 GMT

We could if we understood that divine inspiration was limited only 2 what God wanted us 2 know about Himself, that the writers each had different writing styles/purposes, and that they were not always trying 2 write exact history; we must also factor in time, age and memory, and also truncation of events.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Keith and Company) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:39:27 GMT

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If over half the world spoke English when ur book was published, would u worry very much about translation/exegetical issues?

A lot of the apparent errors, contradictions, mistranslations, scientific failings, and anachronisms are easily explained if we figure that authorship The Books is limited to human beings with no better than human understanding, planning, enlightenment and...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (KillerSkeptic) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:09:03 GMT

Argy, let me tell u something about myself. I'm an agnostic, and probably will remain so until (modern sense) i die. At least 4 the most part, U and i will probably agree on a gr8 many things concerning faith (the above greetings r intended 2 be humorous). But, having been raised Catholic, and also having researched religion, theology, philosophy and history 4 almost a decade, i have heard the arguments of many Catholic/Orthodox apologists, and couldn't help but think that when looked at from...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:07:39 GMT

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my main point was not 2 prove the NT's truth, only 2 suggest that the NT writer would have understood something about the connotations of the word heos that the average Bible reader probably would not 2day

You have proved nothing. Sure, they could have known what...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (KillerSkeptic) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:17:07 GMT

Well, Argy, misconceptions are quite another matter; 1 on which both u and i are in total agreement. I do know at least some root Koine words, such as the 1 cited above. The mere fact that i don't own any lexicons of Koine says nothing about the knowledge i DO have. And besides, my main point was not 2 prove the NT's truth, only 2 suggest that the NT writer would have understood something about the connotations of the word [i]heos[/i] that the average Bible reader probably would not 2day....

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:32:46 GMT

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Pick a faith, any faith, and it will be the same, I'm quite certain.

Never a truer word has been spake.

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Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (1skybluepink) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:08:03 GMT

NO, Argy - Not the 'for real' ONE, just the version that those people who believe such filth are willing to worship.

Y'know, I've heard it said that we 'get the GOD we deserve'......and it has nothing to do with dogma or doctrine or which faith tradition. I've met RC who were 'vindictive prick' fans/worshippers - and RC who obviously worship the same GOD I do. Pick a faith, any faith, and it will be the same, I'm quite certain. There are even Friends who have quite a (Blecch!)...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:32:48 GMT

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The verse really is true, God really does blind the minds of the unbelievers.

Then he's a vindictive prick.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:30:56 GMT

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I'll not lie, 2 u, Argy, i own no Koine lexicons, i do not read the entire dialect.

If you do not understand the language you are relying on third parties to tell you what it means. You are just as vulnerable to their misinterpretations and misconceptions as the people who translated the text wrongly in the first place.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (NannyG123) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:35:54 GMT

Why don't you ask a Mary worshipper?
Anyway, Mary worshippers don't "follow" Mary as there's so little known about her.
All they do is use prayer to her to go around what the Scripture does say they should have been doing.

As to finding out about the Christ, that I can answer.
The Scriptures tell us to do just that, make sure of all things, hold to what is true.
Gain accurate knowlege from the Scriptures themselves, do not rely on the opinions or words of others,...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (KillerSkeptic) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:17 GMT

I'll not lie, 2 u, Argy, i own no Koine lexicons, i do not read the entire dialect. However, when it is considered that it is an objective fact that both the New Testament (hereafter the NT) and the Septuagint version of the Old Testament were written in Koine, this becomes irrelevant. Do i have 2 be able 2 read the dialect in order 2 know that the NT was written in it?

Brush up on ur debating skills you must, Argy.

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:08:38 GMT

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It is easier for them to be saved through appeal to Mary than by obeying Scriptural admonishments.
Following Christ means just that.....finding out all about him, his life, ways, values and aligning oneself as closely as possuible to those.

Would you please explain why it is necessary to find out about christ in order to follow him but not necessary to do the same to follow...

Re: Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:03:02 GMT

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t's mighty imprudent 2 me 2 blame Matthew 4 others' scribal errors.

Do you read Koine Greek?

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Dominus vobiscum

And the Force with you.

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Mt. 1:25 and the Virginity of Mary

feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) — Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:52:23 GMT

Q: Since Matthew 1:25 says that Joseph knew not Mary till Jesus was born, doesnt this imply that Joseph and Mary did know each other, sexually, sometime after Jesus was born?

A: It looks that way to me. There seems to be little other reason to write a sentence like this other than to mean something like that. Surely Joseph did not "know" Mary immediately after Jesus was born, but I think that when the time was right and she was ritually pure and so forth, they had...