Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (busterggi) — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:44:48 GMT

if he doesn't know who Loki is. His parents won't let him read 'Thor' because they found it blasphemous.

Davey is the most polytheistic monotheist I've ever seen.

And when the wind blows its just the Holy Spirit, nothing intelligent or supernatural.

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:20:29 GMT

Actually, believe it or not, Earthling Man, there are more important things. You may have been one of the few I like to think actually listened to anything I have said regarding the issues that were raised in the garden. The question of God's sovereignty before all of his creation, only a part of which is mankind. If the question isn't fairly addressed . . .

But the sacrifice of Jesus is explicitly explained as expiation of mankind's...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:05:48 GMT

Daystar - You know that Satan is destroyed by Jehovah in the end, after being locked away for a time.

Rambo - Sounds like Loki. Where is this bit of the bible then? Not Revelations, surely? You know that's about Nero, right?

I do not know of this Loki of which you speak; and, yes it is Revelation. 20:1 - 15. Nero? No. Was he thrown into the abyss for a thousand years only to be released before...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:11:06 GMT

You know that Satan is destroyed by Jehovah in the end, after being locked away for a time.

Sounds like Loki. Where is this bit of the bible then? Not Revelations, surely? You know that's about Nero, right?

The Bible is all about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus. The salvation of mankind is only a part of that.

Vindication of his name? Really? So...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:45:21 GMT

No. The inventor wanted Satan.

There isn`t any indication in the mythology that Satan was anything , other than a faithful servant to the god.. Its what the believer(christian) has done with the charactor. Man has no power over god or Satan, and thier actions. God has power over Satan ,people, the world, the universe, and the obedience of all. God All Mighty or he is not god all mighty , he`s just another charactor , acting like a little , spoiled brat, huffing and puffing.

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:32:52 GMT

wickle wrote:
Isn`t it , tho. Amazing what some religious folks can do with mythology.
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Satan is destroyed, because god of the mythology , isn`t needed any more by god. His services are no longer needed.He did what god wanted of him, and he is fired(pun intended).

But the problem with this theory is that it is man, not God, who wanted Satan.

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:10:13 GMT

Daystar wrote:

Wickle wrote:
Christians can't make their goal without the Satan character made into something against their god. The Jews , when they created their god , made Satan nothing more than another angel, to serve doing exactly what he was told. He was to test and trick humans and cause , if possible, to slip up, for god.

the...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:47:32 GMT

Wickle wrote:
Christians can't make their goal without the Satan character made into something against their god. The Jews , when they created their god , made Satan nothing more than another angel, to serve doing exactly what he was told. He was to test and trick humans and cause , if possible, to slip up, for god.

the Christians come along and decide that all these nasty things would NEVER come from their...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:45:36 GMT

Rambo wrote:
That's not really an answer though, is it? Either Yahweh is not powerful enough to dispose of his adversary, Satan, or he doesn't wish to because Satan is just a pawn in god's game - meaning that it is god, not Satan, who is ultimately responsible for evil. Why would god want a constant thorn in his side, except as a convenient scapegoat?

Or is god not powerful enough to stop Satan? In...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:38:58 GMT

Rambo123UK wrote:
That's not really an answer though, is it? Either Yahweh is not powerful enough to dispose of his adversary, Satan, or he doesn't wish to because Satan is just a pawn in god's game - meaning that it is god, not Satan, who is ultimately responsible for evil. Why would god want a constant thorn in his side, except as a convenient scapegoat?

Or is god not powerful enough to stop Satan?...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:07:24 GMT

That's not really an answer though, is it? Either Yahweh is not powerful enough to dispose of his adversary, Satan, or he doesn't wish to because Satan is just a pawn in god's game - meaning that it is god, not Satan, who is ultimately responsible for evil. Why would god want a constant thorn in his side, except as a convenient scapegoat?

Or is god not powerful enough to stop Satan? In which case, why not worship Satan instead?

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:36:39 GMT

Christians can`t make thier goal without the Satan character made into something against thier god. The Jews , when they created thier god , made Satan nothing more than another angel, to serve doing exactly what he was told. He was to test and trick humans and cause ,if posible,to slip up, for god.
the christians come along and decide that all these nasty things would NEVER come from thier loving god, so , Satan had to be recreated in thier own perception...a bad guy, all in his own...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:44:17 GMT

busterggi wrote:
you're finally admitting that the supposed ultimate evil devil is actually a loyal follower of the real ultimate source of evil, Yahweh, we have no need to argue.

Though I don't believe in either of those fictional characters.

You are actually beginning to amuse me more than frustrate me.

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (busterggi) — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:39:10 GMT

you're finally admitting that the supposed ultimate evil devil is actually a loyal follower of the real ultimate source of evil, Yahweh, we have no need to argue.

Though I don't believe in either of those fictional characters.

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:15:30 GMT

busterggi wrote:

[Except...] that you're wrong.

Do I really need to bring up Job again?

Earlier in the thread you said the following in response to my having pointed out to Akito that Paul said that Satan was a god of the world, or system of things:

Buster wrote:
Paul says. The OT considers Satan to be a member...

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (busterggi) — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:18:14 GMT

that you're wrong.

Do I really need to bring up Job again?

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:10:50 GMT

busterggi wrote:
Paul says. The OT considers Satan to be a member of Yahweh's court.

I don't believe either, why do you believe Paul, who never knew Yahweh or Jesus?

Because Paul was right and that isn't a contradiction with what the so called OT considers regarding Satan?

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (busterggi) — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:49:44 GMT

Paul says. The OT considers Satan to be a member of Yahweh's court.

I don't believe either, why do you believe Paul, who never knew Yahweh or Jesus?

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Daystar) — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:35:50 GMT

Daystar - The Bible says that Satan is the God of the world. In the Bible there is a difference between the world and the earth. The world will be destroyed and the earth will last forever. Man, with Satan, controls the world.

Akito - Passage Please D:

2 Corinthians 4:4

Re: Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (busterggi) — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:45:49 GMT

Jesus did sin according to the bible. He dissed his mother which clearly violates the commandment to honor one's parents.

Why, he should have been stoned to death on the spot just as the bible commands!

Matthew 15:22 - The Children's Bread

feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:27:38 GMT

Q: In Matthew 15:22, Jesus temporarily refuses to heal the daughter of a Canaanite woman, telling her It is not meet [i.e., fitting] to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." Doesnt this seem intolerant and prejudiced?

A: Sure, when a mdoern Western reader first encounters this statement, it /seems/ that way. But, in the end, Jesus does heal/exorcise the womans daughter after all, so I think the Canaanite womans feeling at the end of the day was gratitude,...