Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1592/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:42:32 GMT Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:59:20 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1592/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14457/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14457
G: "Christ is simply not perfect. He is not always right and he doesn't know everything (he didn't know how to write, for instance)."

Clearly the Bible presents Jesus Christ as morally perfect. During His time on earth, He "emptied Himself" as Philippians 2 puts it, leaving a measure of His divine abilities and knowledge, but as we know (or ought to know) Him now, He is divine, perfect, impeccable, and so forth.

(Also, Jesus read from Isaiah... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14457 Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:59:20 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14455/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14455
But I've already acknowledged my mistake. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (gystex) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14455 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:57:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14456/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14456
I understand your point. For many believers the size of the mustard seed isn't going to matter in an attempt to show them how silly their faith in the bible truly is. But for SOME it does. There are definitely people who fall away from Christianity due to these very simple errors.

I think that SAB and our discussion on this board take the right appraoch. Expose EVERYTHING. Argue everything. That way, all believers' possible issues will be addressed. feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14456 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:45:31 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14454/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14454
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I've never heard a priest or minister say it, and I've discussed this issue with some.
Oh for god's sake, read a Christian website or two!

www.cpcweb.org/aboutCPC.html#Statement
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My "mother in-law" is a Methodist {in the UK} and they claim the same thing.

"If Homosexuals went back into the closet, then there would be no more Homosexuality in this world" - Tom DeLay, US Congressman R-TX


"You can safely... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14453 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:08:37 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14452/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14452 feeds@yuku.com (gystex) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14452 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:42:42 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14451/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14451
Respectfully,
Franciscan Monkey ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Franciscan Monkey) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14451 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:19:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14450/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14450
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How can you have missed the fact that every single one of the millions of fundamentalist Christians who have lived believed that Jesus was and continues to be God, perfect in every way?!

I've never heard a priest or minister say it, and I've discussed this issue with some. I've heard them say that Christ attained... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (gystex) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14450 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:01:36 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14449/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14449
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For that matter, I don't know that the Christian church has ever tried to make the claim that Christ was perfect.
EXCUSE ME!? Which "Christian church" are you talking about, and do you live in a cave?!

How can you have missed the fact that every single one of the millions of fundamentalist Christians who have lived believed that Jesus was and continues to be God,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14449 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:40:05 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14448/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14448
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For that matter, I don't know that the Christian church has ever tried to make the claim that Christ was perfect.


Which "the church" would this church be then? If Christian god = Jesus and Christian god = perfection then by implication Jesus = perfection. More than a couple of churches that could go along with that. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (cyborg) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14448 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:15:50 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14447/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14447
God is all-knowing. If God had been speaking to the people directly, He would not have made this mistake. However, God likes to work through middlemen like Moses and Joseph and Christ, and they were human beings who sometimes make errors.

Christ is simply not perfect. He is not always right and he doesn't know everything (he didn't know how to write, for instance). For that matter, I don't know that the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (gystex) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14447 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:53:03 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14446/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14446
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If they're the poppy seeds I have on my bread then that's not true.


The poppy seeds on your are baked, thus "puffing" them up. They are quite small before baking.

I'm not sure if they are smaller than mustard seeds in their unbaked state though. But FM's link says they are.
feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14446 Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:04:35 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14445/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14445
For other links, a quick google search turned up:

The Bead Site

An interesting indirect example from NASA feeds@yuku.com (Franciscan Monkey) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14445 Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:43:38 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14444/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14444
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that the poppy seed is smaller than the mustard seed
Do you have a reference for this? If they're the poppy seeds I have on my bread then that's not true.
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I can't imagine a higher being throwing anyone into eternal torment for not worshipping him, anymore than I can imagine a loving... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Argy Lacedom) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14444 Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:25:16 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14462/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14462
If other people enjoy watching you dance, that's cool too.
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Accidentally duplicated the post trying to make an emoticon.
Well, one thing we can agree on: we are not perfect. feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14462 Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:05:47 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14443/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14443
So, no, it is not scientifically accurate.

Respectfully,
Franciscan Monkey ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Franciscan Monkey) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14443 Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:57:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14461/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14461
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Meanwhile, in a different thread, Raphjd objected that I don't perpetually engage /enough/ threads. Tough crowd!


Actually, I do kind of agree with Yark, HOWEVER I love to have you in the threads you start. IMHO, to make threads and leave them is rude.

I like having you in your threads so we can find out why you believe as you do. At least you can defend your comments... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14461 Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:02:45 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14463/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14463
Over here, Yark finds it amazing how much time I'm wasting with all this apologizing ("apologizing" in the technical sense; i.e. doing apologetics). Meanwhile, in a different thread, Raphjd objected that I don't perpetually engage /enough/ threads. Tough crowd!

(And I haven't even gotten through the book of Matthew yet, Yark! feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14463 Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:52:37 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14460/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14460
Over here, Yark finds it amazing how much time I'm wasting with all this apologizing ("apologizing" in the technical sense; i.e. doing apologetics). Meanwhile, in a different thread, Raphjd objected that I don't perpetually engage /enough/ threads. Tough crowd!

(And I haven't even gotten through the book of Matthew yet, Yark! )

Yours in Christ,

Waterrock

(Accidentally duplicated the post trying to make an... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14460 Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:50:47 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/14459/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html#reply-14459
Can anyone believe the time Waterrock is wasting with all this apologizing?
"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/14459 Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:36:14 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 13:31-32 - A Grain Of Mustard ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1592/t/Matthew-13-31-32-A-Grain-Of-Mustard.html
A: Matthew is summarizing the meaning of Jesus statement for a readership which had never seen epiphytic orchids, and which saw casual axioms as what they were. Mark 4:31 preserves a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1592 Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:42:32 GMT