Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1329/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:22:17 GMT Wed, 02 May 2007 22:23:21 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1329/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11455/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11455
Of course, the Greek translators used "parthenos" in the Emmanual Passage, which refers to a virgin. Ergo, the writer(s) of Matthew, eager to tie Jesus into OT prophecy and always on the lookout for what they think... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (fearthemunky) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11455 Wed, 02 May 2007 22:23:21 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11454/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11454
Yes, it is clear that Mt. 1:23 is referring to Is 7:14, agreed.

However, as Is 7:1 begins "in the days of Ahaz...".

Emmanuel was to be born of either a virgin or a young woman as a sign to King Ahaz that when attacked by Syria and Israel, they would not be successful.

Let's assume that Isaiah was right and that Emmanuel was born in the days of Ahaz to give this king a "sign".... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Vampire LOGOS) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11454 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:06:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11453/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11453
Quote:

So, Isaiah 7:14 is not the amazing prediction that some apologists have said it is. (Isaiah did, though, correctly predict that the child would be a male and that Israel and Syria would proceed to fall apart when the Assyrians attacked.)


Actually there was a bit more to the prophecy than this. In your own words:

feeds@yuku.com (Rev Etherman) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11453 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:49:40 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11452/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11452
Quote:
Q: In Matthew 1:23, Matthew says that the virgin birth of Christ is a fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14. But Isaiah 7:14 seems to be about someone else entirely. Do these passages really have anything to do with each other?

A: Yes, but the fulfillment here is the fulfillment of a typological pattern, not the fulfillment of a direct prediction.


The term for... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Diskeyezed) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11452 Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:13:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11451/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11451
"If you leave the Christian Bible outside, eventually the wind and the rain
will... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (zipkikr1966) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11451 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:08:35 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11450/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11450
But Jesus neither delivered nor protected his people (whatever you interpret his people to be). Christians and Jews suffered at the hands of Rome. Then when Rome became a Christian state it persecuted heretical Christians and Jews. For 2000 years Christians, Jews, Muslims, and others suffered for their religious... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rev Etherman) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11450 Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:27:47 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/11449/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html#reply-11449 game, when did Jesus not know right from wrong? What
two abhorred kings were cut off in the time of Jesus? Isaiah
9:5-6 refers to King Hezekiah. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (drseinfeld) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/11449 Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:54:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Mt. 1:23 - Isaiah 7:14 and the Sign of Emmanuel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1329/t/Mt-1-23-Isaiah-7-14-and-the-Sign-of-Emmanuel.html
A: Yes, but the fulfillment here is the fulfillment of a typological pattern, not the fulfillment of a direct prediction. Lets look at Isaiah 7:14 in context: King Ahaz -- one of the bad kings of Judah -- was very worried about a recent alliance that had been formed... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1329 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:22:17 GMT