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        <![CDATA[ Q:  In Matthew 3, John the Baptist was plainly hesitant about baptizing Jesus.  Isnt baptism supposed to forgive sins and be a sign of repentance? If so, then why would Jesus need to be baptized? And what does the KJVs phrase &quot;it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness&quot; mean? A:  Lets take the last question first.  &quot;It becometh us to fulfill all righteousness&quot; means, slightly paraphrased, It is appropriate [or, proper] for us to do this, because it is the right thing to... ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 3:14-15 - Jesus' Baptism:  Why? ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Oh dear, these analogies are so lame and just cause more questions...<br><br>- Why has this guide put me on a foggy mountain in the first place? I never asked to go mountain climbing. The guide PUT me there. Why are we not just kickin' it on the beach drinking cold, fruity drinks?<br><br>- Why is this guide so capable, yet I am so incapable? Why can't I see the way if this guide can, especially since this guide designed my abilities in the first place? Can this guide not create mountain... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ WR<br>He already made an unambiguous appearance through Jesus Christ. And His Spirit continues to work through the church. And His message continues to be spread through the Bible. <br><br>drseinfeld<br>There is not good evidence he even existed in the first place.<br>And if he did, he should have stayed on earth after his<br>resurrection. My hindu friend says that Krishna's spirit <br>continues to work through hindu temples and His message<br>continues to be spread through the Gita. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Understanding the text is not as important as understanding the meaning which the text conveys. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->I have two problems; (1) when I read the text (in Englsh) I interpret it the only way I can.  I do not get the same meaning as religious people (and even they do not agree amongst themselves) (2) I cannot read the languages that the bible was originally written in so I am reliant on the... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Now the situation has changed. You don't simply have nothing to go on. Even though you might not know everything about this person calling himself a reliable guide, you can consider your options, read his mountain-climbing book (a translation of which you have in your backpack), and decide if it it is more reasonable to <br>(a) trust him, or<br>(b) stay on the mountain, or<br>(c) venture away from the ledge on your own.... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Argy Lacedom ~<br><br>AL:  ... &quot;But all of them [Bibles, Bible-courses, commentaries] are translated from languages I have no hope of ever understanding&quot; --<br><br>Understanding the text is not as important as understanding the meaning which the text conveys.  The words' message is the Word, of which the words themselves are vessels.  (I hope that doesn't sound too mystical.) <br><br>AL:  ... &quot;If you're saying that I can pick up any English translation of the bible and... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>&quot;With faith, nothing will always be enough.&quot; <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->You got it! BINGO! There doesn't even have to be a god and people like Waterblock and Knob from Texas will go on spewing their contradictory stories. WOOHOO! Fun for those of us who reason, huh? Maybe not.<div class='signature'><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END-->&quot;...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A question/objection was asked/posed. I answered it. To dismiss that as &quot;rationalisation&quot; seems like a &quot;tough crowd&quot; objection -- if I speak up, I'm rationalizing; if I don't speak up then the objection is considered valid. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Apologies WR, I wasn't aware you were responding to previous questions.  It wasn't obvious from your post. <!--EZCODE QUOTE... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Dear Argy Lacedom &amp; Yark ~<br><br>AL:  &quot;I don't understand why all this rationalisation is necessary.&quot;<br><br>A question/objection was asked/posed.  I answered it.  To dismiss that as &quot;rationalisation&quot; seems like a &quot;tough crowd&quot; objection -- if I speak up, I'm rationalizing; if I don't speak up then the objection is considered valid.     <br><br>AL:  &quot;If God meant to say what you've just said he could have done it for himself, or made the text... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Because there is no god, and people like Waterrock have to perform cognitive gymnastics in order to maintain belief that a flawed holy book actually was written by an invisible super being, so they can maintain a belief in that being, which gives them security, a feeling of superiority, or who knows what else.<div class='signature'><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END-->&quot;...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God.  He's not the<br> mean and stupid... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I don't understand why all this rationalisation is necessary.  If God meant to say what you've just said he could have done it for himself, or made the text clearer.  He could also have written it in English so we cold understand, or invented a new one that everyone understands unambiguously. Or he could just come down and take-over the broadcasting networks of the world and explain what his real message is.  But then again, why couldn't he just make a simultaneous personal appearance in... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Q:  In Matthew 3, John the Baptist was plainly hesitant about baptizing Jesus.  Isnt baptism supposed to forgive sins and be a sign of repentance? If so, then why would Jesus need to be baptized? And what does the KJVs phrase &quot;it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness&quot; mean? <br><br>A:  Lets take the last question first.  &quot;It becometh us to fulfill all righteousness&quot; means, slightly paraphrased, It is appropriate [or, proper] for us to do this, because it is the right... ]]></description>

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