Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1243/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:23:36 GMT Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:50:32 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1243/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10838/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10838
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Men are (or at least can be) blind ignorant fools.
LOL! Why do you think we are skeptical? It is only MEN who have told me that the Bible is the word of god!!!! I didn't get that idea from only reading it (far from it), and god certainly didn't come to me and tell me it was his word. EVERYTHING that I know about gods and saviors and satans and angels and floods and resurrections... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10838 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:50:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10837/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10837
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Do you trust men over God? Men are (or at least can be) blind ignorant fools.

Yes, men can be. On the other hand, God only sends out His instruction through men, so either way you are trusting blind, ignorant fools. I'm just cutting out the extra stuff there is no reason to include (i.e., some blind, ignorant foll's version of a deity).

feeds@yuku.com (One Brow) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10837 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:47:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10836/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10836
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Q: In Matthew 14:1-2, Herod thought that Jesus was John the Baptist risen from the dead. Apparently this was a common opinion (see Mt. 16:13-15 and its parallels). If many of Jesus contemporaries could be so easily fooled regarding John the Baptist, what does this do to the credibility of Jesus resurrection


Do you trust men over God? Men are (or at least can be) blind... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (1Trinity1) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10836 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:04:37 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10835/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10835 peace
Limudyah ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Limudyah) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10835 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:13:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10831/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10831
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Who would push an agenda to get themselves and their followers persecuted, thrown in jail, beaten, killed and otherwise ridiculed and punished unless they truely believed what they were preaching?
Why don't you ask the Mormons?

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They were either liars, lunatics or preaching what they honestly... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FastHack) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10831 Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:42:10 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10830/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10830
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Which cult leaders wouldn't?


Here you help to enforce my point. The Cult leaders you talk about either believe what they are preaching, or they are lunatics. They don't just setup a mass suicide, in which they participate, to be a martyr for a political agenda. If you show me someone who does this, you will be presenting a lunatic.

feeds@yuku.com (The Dutch Baker) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10830 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:36:41 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10834/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10834 Their dogma was pervasive enough that it made it to actual votes at the Council of Nicea, but was not picked up for the final version of the Articles of Faith.
With the Articles established, books were chosen for inclusion in The Books based on how well they hewed to the Articles. Books that didn't were thrown out.
Most... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Keith and Company) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10834 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:14:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10829/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10829
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Who would push an agenda to get themselves and their followers persecuted, thrown in jail, beaten, killed and otherwise ridiculed and punished unless they truely believed what they were preaching?

www.google.com.au/search?q=cult+leaders

Which cult leaders... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tanstaafl) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10829 Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:57:59 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10828/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10828
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Then there's the more cynical look that the people writing the gospels where pushing their own agendas, which would lead to them deciding on bits to edit or dramatise. Wouldn't be all that surprising to find that the people starting the christian religion wanted to portray Jesus as risen from the dead.



Who would push an agenda to get themselves and their followers... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (The Dutch Baker) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10828 Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:46:11 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10832/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10832 Quote:
Mark was the assistant of Peter


I'm wondering what this is based on. Earlier today I happened to be looking for references to Mark in the Bible. IIRC, he's mentioned 4 times (as John Mark). It looks like he was a travelling companion of Paul and Barnabas. He fell into disfavor with Paul, and this caused a split between Paul and Barnabas. Apparently Mark then went around with Barnabas.
If God wanted... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Rev Etherman) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10832 Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:57:49 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10833/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10833
Wasn't Herod the one who had John the Baptizer executed (by beheading)?
Didn't John's head end up in the possession of one of Herod's wives/mistresses/dancing girls?
Hadn't Jesus of Nazereth been baptized by John the B before this? (Hard for John to do it after)

Putting this together...
Herod didn't realize that John and Jesus were different people, obviously. Must have had a guilty concience (he was tricked into... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Hawker Hurricane) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10833 Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:42:47 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10827/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10827
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How so? We can pick up a copy of the Gospel of Mark and read the collected memoirs of Peter, who was not at all distant from the events described therein. We can pick up the Gospel of Matthew and read the sermons of Jesus, which Matthew was on the scene to record

You don't see multiple translation, inaccuracies in transcribing, varied version, etc as further from the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tanstaafl) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10827 Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:21:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10826/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10826
T: "And now we get the 'idea' at an even greater distance."

How so? We can pick up a copy of the Gospel of Mark and read the collected memoirs of Peter, who was not at all distant from the events described therein. We can pick up the Gospel of Matthew and read the sermons of Jesus, which Matthew was on the scene to record.

We're distanced by time and space from the events, yes, but we have access to testimony written by people who were in close... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10826 Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:12:29 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/10825/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html#reply-10825
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It highlights the differences between those who were spreading each idea. Herod got the idea at a distance


And now we get the 'idea' at an even greater distance.

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But the people who initiated and spread the news that Jesus was raised from the dead -- and that they had seen Him and had eaten with... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tanstaafl) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/10825 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:01:11 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 14:1-2 - The Non-Resurrection Of John ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1243/t/Matthew-14-1-2-The-Non-Resurrection-Of-John.html
A: It highlights the differences between those who were spreading each idea. Herod got the idea at a distance. And Johns disciples (besides those who had joined Jesus) dont... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1243 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:23:36 GMT