Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (wickle) — Sat, 09 May 2009 03:36:35 GMT

While schoinion does mean cord or rope , it is a very specific rope. It is a rope made of a specific length with knots in it. It is a tool mainly for builders and construction. Not just a simple cord or rope.

Schoinion, a cord of some standard length, Schoinourgos, the land surveyor. Heron of Alexandria knew that for example the length of the schoinion could change by humidity and he gave some recipes how to keep the distance as constant as possible, by hanging weights or...

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Sat, 09 May 2009 02:09:34 GMT

The Greek word for "camel" is Kamelos, whereas the word for "rope" is Schoinion

I looked it up:

http://www.biblicalhebrew.com/nt/camelneedle.htm

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Another possible solution comes from the possibility of a Greek misprint. The suggestion is that the Greek word kamilos ('camel') should really be kamêlos, meaning 'cable, rope', as some late New Testament manuscripts...

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Sat, 09 May 2009 02:05:26 GMT

Did I say Greek word for rope? I don't think I did. As I recall it was supposedly the Aramaic word for rope that was confused with camel (when translated into Greek). Not that I actually subscribe to the notion in any case, so no need to apologize.

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (rmcclure) — Fri, 08 May 2009 23:52:50 GMT

Yeah, sorry Rambo, but those don't really work. The Greek word for "camel" is Kamelos, whereas the word for "rope" is Schoinion. Needless to say, it would be rather difficult to make such a mistake. In regard to the arch, this seems unlikely, as, unless I am mistaken as to what you are referring to, those arches came from Islamic influence, which was considerably after the time of Christ...

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Mon, 04 May 2009 08:12:08 GMT

There are two counters I've heard to this. The word "camel" is a mistake for rope, thus substituting thread for rope through the eye of a needle, though impossible, makes a bit more sense as a saying or that "the eye of the needle" is actually the name for that bit in those funny-shaped arches where they get wider at the top, to allow laden camels to pass through them. Traders used to load them so much they would barely scrape through, or sometimes get stuck. Hence the...

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (twillight) — Mon, 04 May 2009 04:15:46 GMT

There are two possibilities for this:

1) You need a BIG needle. If you're rich you can pay for making a realy big one.

2) powder the camel. Even through normal needles they'll go through then!

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (Morgan) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:45:27 GMT

abamforth wrote:
"But as Jesus says, with God, it is possible, though difficult, for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

...because...you CAN actually get a camel through the eye of a needle?

The hyperbole seems to flicker back and forth in Matt 19.
I'm not sure exactly what Jesus meant by 'rich.' But he certainly doesn't mean 'difficult.'...

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (abamforth) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:43:23 GMT

"But as Jesus says, with God, it is possible, though difficult, for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

...because...you CAN actually get a camel through the eye of a needle?

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) — Thu, 29 May 2008 01:06:57 GMT

Apologetics slagging off apologetics, I love it.

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (Rambo123UK) — Sun, 25 May 2008 01:04:14 GMT

Did you actually read Watterrock's post? Did you notice the P.S.?

Re: Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (MelinKD) — Sat, 24 May 2008 20:30:00 GMT

There is a cool book called.....Strange Scriptures that PERPLEX the Western Mind by Barbara M. Bowen. She states this concerning v.24........quote.....

Let us examine a city gate which has the "needle's eye." City walls have several large gates of iron, which are always two-leaved. In Isaiah 45:1 we find these words: "I will open before him the two-leaved gates." When we read Samson taking the "doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and...

Matthew 19:23-24 - Through The Eye Of A Needle

feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:59:58 GMT

Q: In Matthew 19:23-24, Jesus says that rich people dont go to heaven. Doesnt this contradict numerous statements in the Bible which describe wealthy as a sign of divine approval and blessedness? Is it okay to be rich, or not?

A: First, Jesus did not say that rich people dont go to heaven. He said that it is very difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. He used hyperbole -- the camel-through-the-eye-of-a-needle saying -- to emphasize the point. Second, in Israel,...