Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1091/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:46:59 GMT Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:17:36 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1091/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8852/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8852
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Now, later on, Jesus /does/ supercede the Law, when He established the new covenant of grace.


That's pretty much what I said in the first 2 thing you quoted from me.

Jesus disobeyed his father's wishes and laws. Or Jesus as god or part of god, changed his mind on the senseless killings he demanded with his previous laws.

feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8852 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:17:36 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8855/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8855
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what I'm claiming on a scientific platform is that the opposite claim (that the original text of the Bible does contain errors) cannot be scientifically demonstrated.

Of course it can't be scientifically demonstrated, until these mysterious "original texts" are produced.

Are you saying that you are making arguments completely from within a fantasy... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8855 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:59 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8851/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8851
R: "Depending on your christian view, Jesus or his father or both gave the 10 Commandments and laws to Moses."

Right. And Moses gave the Law to Israel. (And later, when Jesus came to earth, the covenant that Jesus initiated was not only for Israel, but for all humankind.)

R: "If it was his father that gave them to Moses, then he didn't honor or obey his father's wishes."

The Law stipulated that it be enforced by the established... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8851 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:18:29 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8854/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8854
B: "You are playing offense, by making a direct assertion"

No; the assertion that I make about the Bible being the inerrant and infallible Word of God is openly faith-based. The assertions of error that the SAB makes are not, as far as I can tell, presented as faith-based, but as scientifically supported statements.

B: "You propose, that a book written in plain ink on plain paper, is the inerrant word of a magical being that nobody looking... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8854 Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:39:11 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8853/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8853
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Easy: I'm playing defense.

You are playing offense, by making a direct assertion:

You propose, that a book written in plain ink on plain paper, is the inerrant word of a magical being that nobody looking upon this ink and paper has observed.

In defense against your claim, the SAB proposes the obvious:

This book displays the simple common errors one... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Badsidhe) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8853 Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:16:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8850/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8850
Jesus and killing disrespectful kids

Depending on your christian view, Jesus or his father or both gave the 10 Commandments and laws to Moses.

If it was his father that gave them to Moses, then he didn't honor or obey his father's wishes. In fact he totally dismisses his father's wishes,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8850 Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:16:50 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8849/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8849
R: "What I find rude is you making tons of threads and then when called on blatant contradictions made by you, you never go back to them."

Gimme an example. Oh, you did already:

R: "An example would be your repeated claims that Jesus told people to disregard the Commandment "honor thy mother and father"."

I did not claim what you said I did. Jesus did not tell people to disregard the commandment to honor their father and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8849 Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:20:26 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8848/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8848
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Also, if a poster is unnecessarily rude -- for instance, if he casually calls my material "BS" -- or if a poster seems Beyond-Bill-the-Cat Unhinged, I may move on.


You have given some really odd reasons for ditching a thread.

What I find rude is you making tons of threads and then when called on blatant contradictions made by you, you never go back to them.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8848 Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:44:28 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8847/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8847
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Also, if a poster is unnecessarily rude -- for instance, if he casually calls my material "BS"


I call it as I see it.

We have to "suppose" too many things for your version to work.

"If Homosexuals went back into the closet, then there... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8847 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:48:31 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8846/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8846
R: "Why do you keep making more and more threads when you haven't even revisited your old threads."

A while ago, Steve Wells mentioned that it might be nice if someone responded to the objections in the SAB, so that the SAB could be more balanced. I'm currently trying to make the sort of responses he had in mind -- offering my own thoughts on the issues the SAB raises, as well as providing some exposure to some of the ideas of other apologists. It's a big... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8846 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:09:47 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8845/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8845

"If Homosexuals went back into the closet, then there would be no more Homosexuality in this world" - Tom DeLay, US Congressman R-TX


"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image, when it turns out that God... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8845 Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:27:56 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8844/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8844
"...the God I don't believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He's not the
mean and stupid God you make him out to be." - Lt. Scheisskopf's wife, from Catch 22 by Joseph Heller feeds@yuku.com (Yark Hutprancer) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8844 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:26:11 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8843/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html#reply-8843
Answer your old threads before you make new ones. OR are you afraid to?

As much as I disagree with DfT over his religion, I respect him because he doesn't do a hit and run, like you do. If he posts something and others disagree, he can at least pick something out of the bible to back his statement up. He doesn't need "suppose this, that and the other and you will see what I'm... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8843 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:58:42 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 1:12 - The Father Of Zerubbabel ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1091/t/Matthew-1-12-The-Father-Of-Zerubbabel.html
A: Salathiel and Pedaiah were brothers. After Salathiel died, Pedaiah married his widow and the offspring of the union of Pedaiah and the widow of Salathiel was Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was then regarded as the legal heir (i.e., son) of Salathiel, even though his genetic... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1091 Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:46:59 GMT