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Not physically. But Jesus -- by being born into the family of Joseph, who was descended from David, to Josephs wife Mary, who had not had intercourse with anyone -- qualified as a descendent of David. Jesus was a unique case -- not illegitimate (inasmuch as His mother had not committed fornication), and at the same time not the result of a conjugal union between Joseph and Mary.
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Still, even focusing on the Davidic ancestry question, your apology still leaves me in a quandary about the verses listing Joseph's family tree. Does it say anywhere in the text that God contrived to give Jesus Davidic ancestry? It seems a pretty big... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (retired catholic) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8819 Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:27:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8818/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8818
RC: "If you are just going to fall back on "God did it," why did you bother attempting an explanation of this event?"

To explain how the prophecies about the Messiah being a "Son of David," i.e., a descendent of David, and the Scriptures describing Jesus as a member of David's family, could be fulfilled in a scenario in which Jesus was miraculously virgin-born.

RC: "I assume you do realize how unsatisfactory... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8818 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:49:23 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8817/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8817
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SW: "Was he (or she) haploid or diploid?"

(I hope I haven't confused terms here -- ) Diploid.


Why are you so sure Jesus was diploid? I always thought the "H" in the common interjection "Jesus H. Christ!" stood for haploid. feeds@yuku.com (retired catholic) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8817 Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:29:40 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8816/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8816
SW: "Was Jesus' birth parthenogenetic?"

Yes, of course; there could scarcely be any other kind of Virgin Birth. But it was the result of a unique and supernatural event, not the sort of natural parthenogenesis that can occur in sea urchins. A harder question is, "How did the parthenogenetic conception of Jesus occur?" -- or, /was/ there even a moment of conception within Mary's womb at which a zygote existed, or did God miraculously create a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8816 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:00:50 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8815/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8815 first gospel, Mark. AFAIK only Matthew and Luke mention it,
which I think is curious. I have not been able to confirm this,
but I read somewhere that the original versions of Mt and Lk
don't have the virgin birth in them. The VB is an interpolation
in those gospels. The greek in the VB stories is a later
version of greek supposedly. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (drseinfeld) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8815 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:04:15 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8814/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8814 feeds@yuku.com (retired catholic) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8814 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:36:51 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8813/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8813 Countless biblical historians/authors {including Laurence Gardner} say that Jesus was the physical child of Joeseph and Mary.

This would put him in line to be King of the Jews, aka the Christ of the Jews. A direct decendant of David and Abraham.

drseinfeld
Then the NT is wrong about the virgin birth. That puts the
inerrancy of the bible face down into the toilet. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (drseinfeld) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8813 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:07:38 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8820/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8820 messiah has to be a descendent of David through Solomon.
So, Jesus can't be messiah. The messiah was supposed to
be a normal human being and not a demi-god. You can't be
adopted into a line. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (drseinfeld) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8820 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:48:35 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8812/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8812
This would put him in line to be King of the Jews, aka the Christ of the Jews. A direct decendant of David and Abraham. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (raphjd) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8812 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:26:26 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/reply/8811/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html#reply-8811
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[E]xtrapolating from Scriptures such as Acts 13:23 and Romans 1:3, it would make sense if the body (or zygote or blastocyst or whatever) which God caused to begin to exist and live in Marys womb had a genotype (or at least half a genotype, the other half possibly being based on Mary's) which a male descendant of David would be expected to have. This is, as I said, impossible to verify, but so are assertions to the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Steve Wells) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/sreply/8811 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:56:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Matthew 1:18 - Joseph: Father of Jesus? ]]> http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1089/t/Matthew-1-18-Joseph-Father-of-Jesus-.html
A: Not physically. But Jesus -- by being born into the family of Joseph, who was descended from David, to Josephs wife Mary, who had not had intercourse with anyone -- qualified as a descendent of David. Jesus was a unique case -- not illegitimate (inasmuch as His mother had not committed fornication), and at the same time not the result of a conjugal union between Joseph and Mary.

Joseph was called Jesus father because Joseph... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Waterrock) http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1089 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:06:27 GMT